The Journal's comment on its use: The work done by the passenger engines on this road is excellent and by no means easy. On the through or express trains they must keep up a high speed over a line having numerous curves and som very steep grades, while on the local trains they have to haul frequently 8 and 10 cars, with stops at intervals of one or two miles.
This pair from a local (Scranton, PA) builder just preceded the numerous G class (Locobase 102) that entered service three years later. The article noted the particularly difficult nature of the commute from Hoboken for which these locomotives were designed: "About 7 miles out a grade of about 78 feet to the mile [1.4%] has to be climbed for about three miles." At the time of the design, passenger trains would use helpers, but these Camelback were meant to take the grade on their own.
The later G class adopted larger-diameter drivers and enlarged the boiler to compensate.
When the Lackawanna superheated its camelback 8-wheelers (see Locobase 102), most of them were rebuilt to the specifications shown. This involved substituting "economy chests" with piston valves for the slide valves originally installed. One locomotive, 944 had its boiler tubes lengthened by about 5" over the standard rebuild, which increased total evaporative surface area to 1,637 sq ft.
For some in the group, the upgrade meant continued service through World War II. These were later retrofitted with conventional cabs
Others began retiring in the late 1920s.
Schenectady supplied the first 27 in 1901-1903 (973-999). Baldwin followed with 15 in 1904 (953-972), then back to Schenectady for 12 in 1905 (944-955) and 11 in 1910-1911 (933-944).
Most of the camelbacks were scrapped before World War II; a few were rebuilt with a single cab.
Many were superheated in the 1916-1921 period and fitted with piston valves; see Locobases 5725-5727. Ten of these were rebuilt in the 20s with a conventional cab, Baker valve gear.
Like the other superheated camelback 8-wheelers (see Locobase 102), the rebuild involved substituting "economy chests" with piston valves for the slide valves originally installed. This one engine had its boiler tubes lengthened by about 5", which accounts for the increased heating surface area.
Like the other superheated camelback 8-wheelers (see Locobase 102), the rebuild involved substituting "economy chests" with piston valves for the slide valves originally installed. For some reason, these 4 had fewer flues left after the conversion.
| Specifications | |||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Class | 165 | G - superheated | G-2/G-3 | G-6a | G-8a | G-8b/G-9b | |
| Locobase ID | 5422 | 9502 | 5725 | 102 | 5362 | 5727 | 5726 |
| Railroad | Delaware, Lackawanna &Western | Delaware, Lackawanna &Western | Delaware, Lackawanna &Western | Delaware, Lackawanna &Western | Delaware, Lackawanna &Western | Delaware, Lackawanna &Western | Delaware, Lackawanna &Western |
| Whyte | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 |
| Road Numbers | 165-166 | 973-999, 933-972 | 944-955 | 944 | 934, 937, 940, 943 | ||
| Gauge | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std |
| Builder | shops | Dickson | shops | several | Alco-Schenectady | shops | shops |
| Year | 1891 | 1898 | 1916 | 1901 | 1905 | 1916 | 1916 |
| Valve Gear | Stephenson | Stephenson | Baker | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson |
| Locomotive Length and Weight | |||||||
| Driver Wheelbase | 8' | 8.50' | 8.50' | 8.50' | 8.50' | 8.50' | 8.50' |
| Engine Wheelbase | 22.37' | 22.92' | 24.41' | 24.40' | 24.42' | 24.41' | 24.41' |
| Ratio of driving wheelbase to overall engine wheebase | 0.36 | 0.37 | 0.35 | 0.35 | 0.35 | 0.35 | 0.35 |
| Overall Wheelbase (engine & tender) | 47.54' | 48.62' | 51.43' | 52' | 51.05' | 51.80' | 51.80' |
| Axle Loading (Maximum Weight per Axle) | |||||||
| Weight on Drivers | 74455 lbs | 85700 lbs | 106400 lbs | 100000 lbs | 100000 lbs | 106400 lbs | 107200 lbs |
| Engine Weight | 106000 lbs | 124000 lbs | 159200 lbs | 151200 lbs | 151200 lbs | 159200 lbs | 162400 lbs |
| Tender Light Weight | 115900 lbs | 120000 lbs | 110000 lbs | 119900 lbs | 119900 lbs | ||
| Total Engine and Tender Weight | 0 | 244000 lbs | 275100 lbs | 271200 lbs | 261200 lbs | 279100 lbs | 282300 lbs |
| Tender Water Capacity | 3200 gals | 5000 gals | 5000 gals | 5000 gals | 5500 gals | 5500 gals | |
| Tender Fuel Capacity (oil/coal) | 4 tons | tons | 10 tons | 10 tons | 10 tons | 10 tons | 10 tons |
| Minimum weight per yard of rail on which locomotive could run | 62 lb rail | 71 lb rail | 89 lb rail | 83 lb rail | 83 lb rail | 89 lb rail | 89 lb rail |
| Geometry Relating to Tractive Effort | |||||||
| Driver Diameter | 69" | 65" | 69" | 69" | 69" | 69" | 69" |
| Boiler Pressure | 175 psi | 180 psi | 185 psi | 185 psi | 185 psi | 185 psi | 185 psi |
| Cylinders (dia x stroke) | 18.5" x 24" | 20" x 26" | 20" x 26" | 20" x 26" | 20" x 26" | 20" x 26" | 20" x 26" |
| Tractive Effort | 17708 lbs | 24480 lbs | 23701 lbs | 23701 lbs | 23701 lbs | 23701 lbs | 23701 lbs |
| Factor of Adhesion (Weight on Drivers/Tractive Effort) | 4.20 | 3.50 | 4.49 | 4.22 | 4.22 | 4.49 | 4.52 |
| Heating Ability | |||||||
| Firebox Area | 137 sq. ft | 161.60 sq. ft | 165 sq. ft | 190.30 sq. ft | 165 sq. ft | 165 sq. ft | |
| Grate Area | 35 sq. ft | 80 sq. ft | 87.70 sq. ft | 87.70 sq. ft | 87.54 sq. ft | 87.60 sq. ft | 87.70 sq. ft |
| Evaporative Heating Surface | 1337 | 1824 | 1189 | 2023 | 2140 | 1637 | 1013 |
| Superheating Surface | 340 | 340 | 340 | ||||
| Combined Heating Surface | 1337 | 1824 | 1529 | 2023 | 2140 | 1977 | 1353 |
| Evaporative Heating Surface/Cylinder Volume | 179.06 | 192.94 | 125.77 | 213.99 | 226.36 | 173.16 | 107.15 |
| Computations Relating to Power Output (More Information) | |||||||
| Robert LeMassena's Power Computation | 6125 | 14400 | 16225 | 16225 | 16195 | 16206 | 16225 |
| Same as above plus superheater percentage | 6125 | 14400 | 19469 | 16225 | 16195 | 19447 | 21092 |
| Same as above but substitute firebox area for grate area | 23975 | 29088 | 36630 | 0 | 35206 | 36630 | 39683 |
| Power L1 | 5450 | 5429 | 11419 | 0 | 6957 | 12427 | 11022 |
| Power MT | 322.75 | 279.32 | 473.21 | 0 | 306.75 | 514.98 | 453.35 |
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