A small Eight-wheeler that may have been the first for this Frisco predecessor. It was small, but possessed a healthy percentage of direct heating surface.
The O & CC was built by the O & CC., the Oklahoma Coal & Railroad Company Co., and the Muskogee City Bridge Company (which about sums up the interested parties, I'd say). The O & CC itself was originally chartered as the North Arkansas & Western Railway Company in 1899 but changed its name in April 1901. Its main line ran 144 miles from Fayetteville, Ark, to Okmulgee in the Indian Territory (later Oklahoma).
The Frisco bought the O & CC on 15 July 1907.
At the turn into the 20th Century,three Frisco subsidiary/predecessors bought a common design from Pittsburgh. The Kansas City, Memphis & Birmingham rail line that ran from Memphis to Birmingham purchased 2 that were built in November 1899 (works #2015-2016); the third locomotive in that batch (2017) went to the Kansas City, Fort Smith & Memphis at the same time. Nine months later, the KC, M & B bought its third engine (2126). Finally, the St Louis, Memphis & Southeastern, a Missouri-Arkansas railroad that was only just coming into being, bought the last 2 in 1902 (works #25309-25310).
By that time, the KC, M & B had been leased to the Frisco in 1901. On 19 July 1907, the St L, M & SE was sold to the Frisco. The KC, FS & M would remain independent for several more years.
Almost 3 decades later, the railroad superheated 4 of these locomotives; see Locobase 8560
Coming into service in 1902, this pair was built in December 1901 as works #2362-2363. Perhaps surprisingly, the two engines were never significantly updated and retired early. 188 was "dismissed from service" in March 1928 at Springfield, Mo while 189 was "retired from service" in November 1936 at Hugo, Okla. Locobase isn't sure of the distinction between "dismissed" and "retired", except that the former sound more brusque and the latter as if they gave 189 a gold watch.
This class followed the Eight-wheelers supplied by the same builder in 1899 (Locobase 8559). Many of the dimensions remained the same, but the boiler held a few more tubes, each of which was 9" shorter. The grate was smaller as well, possibly reflecting the availability of higher-grade coal.
A Baldwin Eight-wheeler that bears some resemblance to the other O & CC engine that came on the road at the same time (Locobase 8644). It's difficult to know why the differences came to be what they were. In any case, the locomotive was given a Frisco number when that railroad bought the O & CC in 1907.
These locomotives were consecutively numbered on the B E & SW, but appear to have had slightly different tube configurations. 20 had the 201 tubes shown above and the 21 200 tubes of shorter length, at least initially. The all-time diagram represents them as having the same configuration.
Pittsburgh supplied these 5 engines in a batch in April 1902 (works #2373-2377). They proved to be the first of several dozen built to the same design for the Frisco by 3 builders that would be amalgamated under the American Locomotive Company banner later that year. These were the lightest by about 9,000 lb.
From information found in latter-day diagram books, it seems that fitting 310 tubes into that boiler led to a variety of maintenance problems. Over time, most of the surviving locomotives in all three classes sacrificed as many as 68 tubes without adding a superheater. In the case of this KC, FS & M quintet, 202 carried only 248 tubes (1,708 sq ft total) at her retirement in August 1925 while the others each had 254 tubes (1,779 sq ft).
Locobase 8563 shows the results of this paring down, which was applied to the succeeding class built by Dickson. A slightly different outcome for the Rhode Island locomotives is shown in 8564.
203 was "dismissed from service in April 1926, followed by 200 (October 1926), 201 (December 1929) and 202 (September 1934).
The second of the three Alco builders to supply this class of Eight-wheelers to the Frisco Lines had already been amalgamated into the combine when works # were assigned to these 15 boilers. Consequently, they numbered 26727-26741 and were produced in December 1902 and January 1903. Like the Pittsburgh locomotives shown in Locobase 8562, these had 310 fire tubes when delivered and bulked up to 2,135 sq ft of evaporative heating surface.
That number was soon reduced, probably because of maintenance issues. Most of the engines had 254 tubes as shown in the specs, 3 (208, 214, 217) had 268 tubes while 209 had only 248 tubes.
The first to be dismissed from service was 205 in August 1925, the last two were 210 & 213 in September 1934.
The third of the three Alco builders to supply this class of Eight-wheelers to the Frisco Lines numbered its crop of 10 engines 27820-27829 and built them in June-July 1903. Like the Pittsburgh locomotives shown in Locobase 8561, these had 310 fire tubes when delivered. Because they were two inches shorter, the total came to 2,108 sq ft of evaporative heating surface.
As with all of the other Alcos supplied with that number (Locobase 8562-8563), that number was soon reduced, probably because of maintenance issues, to 258 tubes in most cases
225 was the first to go at a surprisingly early date of January 1919 - could this represent an accident and damage? 229 went in October 1926, 220 in September 1928, 222 in December 1933, and all of the rest in September 1934.
Locobase can't say whether the "new Pittsburgh boilers" fitted to the Manchester engines changed the basic dimensions. Compared to other early '70s locomotives, it doesn't appear to have been so. Locobase doesn't know when these were retired.
Long after the Frisco had absorbed the Kansas City, Memphis & Birmingham; the Kansas City, Fort Smith & Memphis; and the St Louis, Memphis & Southeastern; its shops decided to rework all 6 locomotives of the 182 class (Locobase 8559) that had been taken onto the Frisco rolls. For the most part, the makeover took the typical form in which many of the small tubes were replaced by many fewer larger flues for the superheater and outside valve gear now acuated 9" piston valves.
Except the railroad chose an unusual cylinder dimension of 17" diameter by 26" stroke. Also, the combined heating surface now came to more than the original saturated-steam total, which was an unusual result as well.
In four of the 6, the railroad installed a single Nicholson thermic syphon in the firebox. The combination of generous superheating and the larger firebox may well have overwhelmed the small-bore pistons, which were fed steam at a lower pressure than in saturated-steam days.
Obviously, the result pleased the Frisco, for it retained the locomotives for another 2 decades, dismissing the first from service (182) in July 1950, 183-184 in April 1951 and 185-186 in September 1951. 187's retirement date is not given
This group of Eight-wheelers was delivered between September 1880 and April 1881. For their time, they had among the biggest boilers on a 4-4-0 and had among the highest adhesion weights.
They left service over a 20-year period. 1915 saw the retirement, dismissal, or scrapping of 28, 31, and 34 respectively. 33 followed in 1920, 29 in 1925, 32 and 30 in 1926, and, for some reason, 35 held on for another 9 years, being dismissed in July 1935.
Built in February 1890 as works #1100-1101, this pair of Eight-wheelers had relatively small boilers for the period in which they were produced. And over time, 337 saw a 26-tube reduction in the number of tubes and a smaller amount of heating surface as a result. But their narrow, deep fireboxes offered a considerable amount of heating surface for their size and they put a good deal of weight on the drivers as well.
The two engines were part of the motive power holding taken in by the Frisco in 1925. Both served for just 7 more years before being "dismissed from service" in August and July 1923, respectively.
This was one of the smallest Eight-wheelers supplied to a North American railroad in the early 1890s, especially in terms of its heating surfaces. Its service lasted over 40 years, however, as it wasn't "dismissed from service" by the Frisco until 1934.
Locobase has very little information about this Eight-wheeler. Its non-appearance in the 1908 list suggests 46 (or possibly a renumbered 32) was scrapped before then.
The diagrams for this class (one of which was an Ozark & Cherokee Central engine) show the construction dates as 1870-1876, but the 1908 description pegs the class at 1880. All but one were credited to the Frisco, with the O & CC #34 being the odd one out.
Locobase notices that all of the KCC & S locomotives shown in the so-called 1884 guide (which was prepared probably 30 years later) claimed 135 psi as a boiler pressure. This seems low. These Manchester Americans were the first locomotives on the line, which opened on 27 November 1885. Although on the small side for Eight-wheelers of the time in terms of total heating surface and very light in adhesion weight, the Manchesters had a relatively large amount of direct (firebox) heating surface.
Retirements occurred over an extended period.
The history of the "Leaky Roof" is detailed in an article on the railroad on http://tacnet.missouri.org/~mgood/clintonrr/leakyroof.html (accessed 21 August 2005). It is a fascinating tale of complicated corporate history, some chicanery, and no little financial stress. The most mileage ever operated on this line was 162.8, but, unlike many other roads, at least the railroad actually served the towns in its name.
The Frisco took over effective control of the road when it acquired the parent Kansas City, Fort Scott & Gulf in 1901. To keep Missouri opponents concerned with a Frisco monopoly out of Kansas City, the KCC & S maintained a separate identity for years and was known as the "Clinton Line". In 1925, the Frisco merged the KCC & S into its structure as the Osceola Subdivision of the Eastern Division.
The Leaky Roof nickname stemmed from the principal commodity shipped on its line, which was clay tiles. Since clay tiles were relatively impervious to rain, they could be carried in any open gondola available. A flour miller once canceled a rainy-day shipment from his mill when he saw the consist of the KCC & S train and said to his GM: "Don't send out any flour today; they've got another bunch of those leaky roofs in the yards."
An early set of Frisco engines was this group from the Paterson builder in 1880 (works #2622, 2624-2629). The design had long boiler tubes, which resulted in a long profile and a very large heating surface area for an Eight-wheeler of the time. The 1904 diagram shows a purchase price of $8,500.
This single locomotive (works #784) may in fact be 3 although the evidence in the Frisco documents is contradictory and does not square with information about the Pittsburgh Works' production. The other two were later numbered 106-107 and were works #782-783 and their data are essentially identical.
The KC, M & B was incorporated in 1886-1887 and had a main line between Memphis and Birmingham with branches to Sipsey, Ala and Bessember, Ala. The Frisco bought the railroad on 1 September 1928.
Engine 85 - by then renumbered as 140 - was sold for scrap to St Louis Material & Supply in Pacific, Mo in November 1935.
Rogers produced this quartet of Eight-wheelers in a two sets of two separated by a single engine (works #3723-3724, 3726-3727. Thanks to a high tube count in their boilers, their heating surface dimensions placed them near the top of North American 4-4-0s built in those years and they were among the heaviest third of such locomotives as well.
| Specifications | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Class | 1 / 2274 | 182 | 188 | 188 | 2 | 20 | 200 | 205 | 220 | 232 / 2232 | 25 | 28 | 336 | 44 | 46 | 50 / 26 | 54 | 65 / 45 | 71 / 44 | 83 | 98 |
| Locobase ID | 8644 | 8559 | 8561 | 10742 | 8645 | 8558 | 8562 | 8563 | 8564 | 8642 | 8560 | 8553 | 8554 | 8552 | 8643 | 8587 | 8548 | 8586 | 8588 | 8555 | 8556 |
| Railroad | Ozark & Cherokee Central (SLSF) | St Louis-San Francisco (SLSF) | Kansas City, Fort Scott & Memphis (SLSF) | St Louis-San Francisco (SLSF) | Ozark & Cherokee Central (SLSF) | Blackwell, Enid & Southwestern (SLSF) | Kansas City, Fort Scott & Memphis (SLSF) | St Louis-San Francisco (SLSF) | St Louis-San Francisco (SLSF) | Kansas City, Fort Scott & Memphis (SLSF) | St Louis-San Francisco (SLSF) | Kansas City, Fort Scott & Memphis (SLSF) | Kansas City, Fort Scott & Memphis (SLSF) | St Louis-San Francisco (SLSF) | St Louis-San Francisco (SLSF) | St Louis-San Francisco (SLSF) | Kansas City, Clinton & Springfield (SLSF) | St Louis-San Francisco (SLSF) | Kansas City, Memphis & Birmingham (SLSF) | Kansas City, Fort Scott & Memphis (SLSF) | St Louis-San Francisco (SLSF) |
| Whyte | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 |
| Road Numbers | 1 / 2274 | 182-187 | 188-189 | 188- | 2 / 2275 | 20-21 / 161-162 | 200-204 | 205-219 | 220-229 | 232-237 / 2232-2237 | 182-187 | 28-35 / 96-103 | 336-337 / 114-115 | 44 / 94 | 46 | 26-40 | 54-78 / 79, 81-91 | 65-70 / 45-50 | 71 / 44 | 83-88 / 138-143 | 98-101 / 148-151 |
| Gauge | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std |
| Builder | Burnham, Parry, Williams & Co | Pittsburgh | Pittsburgh | Pittsburgh | Burnham, Parry, Williams & Co | Schenectady | Pittsburgh | Alco-Dickson | Alco-Rhode Island | Manchester | Frisco | Manchester | Pittsburgh | Cooke | M. Baird & Co | Hinkley | Manchester | Rogers | Pittsburgh | Burnham, Parry, Williams & Co | Rogers |
| Year | 1886 | 1899 | 1901 | 1902 | 1886 | 1889 | 1902 | 1902 | 1903 | 1870 | 1929 | 1880 | 1890 | 1893 | 1870 | 1880 | 1884 | 1880 | 1885 | 1888 | 1886 |
| Valve Gear | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Walschaert | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson |
| Locomotive Length and Weight | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Driver Wheelbase | 8' | 8.50' | 8' | 8.50' | 8.17' | 9.08' | 8.50' | 8.50' | 8.50' | 8.33' | 8.50' | 8.50' | 8.67' | 8.50' | 7.67' | 7.50' | 8.50' | 9.20' | 8.33' | 8.50' | 8.50' |
| Engine Wheelbase | 22.61' | 23.25' | 22.75' | 22.75' | 21.85' | 24.75' | 23.25' | 23.33' | 23.33' | 21.50' | 24.25' | 22.92' | 22.83' | 22.83' | 21.29' | 21.37' | 22.92' | 23.17' | 22.71' | 23' | 22.75' |
| Ratio of driving wheelbase to overall engine wheebase | 0.35 | 0.37 | 0.35 | 0.37 | 0.37 | 0.37 | 0.37 | 0.36 | 0.36 | 0.39 | 0.35 | 0.37 | 0.38 | 0.37 | 0.36 | 0.35 | 0.37 | 0.40 | 0.37 | 0.37 | 0.37 |
| Overall Wheelbase (engine & tender) | 44.46' | 52.25' | 45.69' | 52.25' | 44.44' | 46.17' | 50.55' | 52.25' | 51.85' | 48.92' | 52.42' | 48.92' | 45.69' | 49.03' | 43.12' | 46.25' | 48.62' | 44.33' | 48.02' | 44.33' | |
| Axle Loading (Maximum Weight per Axle) | 29350 lbs | 26900 lbs | 46000 lbs | 22775 lbs | 24650 lbs | 25775 lbs | |||||||||||||||
| Weight on Drivers | 57725 lbs | 84000 lbs | 81800 lbs | 79800 lbs | 50400 lbs | 64000 lbs | 90000 lbs | 100000 lbs | 96700 lbs | 51300 lbs | 98400 lbs | 56000 lbs | 62000 lbs | 62800 lbs | 35000 lbs | 45550 lbs | 52000 lbs | 49300 lbs | 49675 lbs | 60000 lbs | 62000 lbs |
| Engine Weight | 85000 lbs | 125000 lbs | 123600 lbs | 118900 lbs | 77700 lbs | 103600 lbs | 134000 lbs | 143700 lbs | 143400 lbs | 81800 lbs | 149800 lbs | 88000 lbs | 93000 lbs | 98900 lbs | 57800 lbs | 70800 lbs | 79200 lbs | 79000 lbs | 81250 lbs | 94000 lbs | 95700 lbs |
| Tender Light Weight | 73800 lbs | 90000 lbs | 90200 lbs | 92000 lbs | 61300 lbs | 74800 lbs | 91732 lbs | 108200 lbs | 105300 lbs | 51600 lbs | 117420 lbs | 82000 lbs | 74500 lbs | 90200 lbs | 66900 lbs | 66900 lbs | 58100 lbs | 76700 lbs | 60500 lbs | 74500 lbs | 72200 lbs |
| Total Engine and Tender Weight | 158800 lbs | 215000 lbs | 213800 lbs | 210900 lbs | 139000 lbs | 178400 lbs | 225732 lbs | 251900 lbs | 248700 lbs | 133400 lbs | 267220 lbs | 170000 lbs | 167500 lbs | 189100 lbs | 124700 lbs | 137700 lbs | 137300 lbs | 155700 lbs | 141750 lbs | 168500 lbs | 167900 lbs |
| Tender Water Capacity | 3000 gals | 4300 gals | 4000 gals | 4300 gals | 2800 gals | 2800 gals | 4300 gals | 5000 gals | 5000 gals | 2000 gals | 3000 gals | 3600 gals | 3700 gals | 3800 gals | 3700 gals | 3300 gals | 3700 gals | 3700 gals | 3700 gals | 4000 gals | |
| Tender Fuel Capacity (oil/coal) | 8 tons | 8 tons | 7.5 tons | 10 tons | 8 tons | 8 tons | 10 tons | 10 tons | 10 tons | 5 tons | 2300 gals | 7 tons | 8 tons | 8 tons | tons | 8 tons | 8 tons | 8 tons | 8 tons | 8 tons | 8 tons |
| Minimum weight per yard of rail on which locomotive could run | 48 lb rail | 70 lb rail | 68 lb rail | 67 lb rail | 42 lb rail | 53 lb rail | 75 lb rail | 83 lb rail | 81 lb rail | 43 lb rail | 82 lb rail | 47 lb rail | 52 lb rail | 52 lb rail | 29 lb rail | 38 lb rail | 43 lb rail | 41 lb rail | 41 lb rail | 50 lb rail | 52 lb rail |
| Geometry Relating to Tractive Effort | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Driver Diameter | 63" | 69" | 69" | 69" | 63" | 64" | 69" | 69" | 69" | 65" | 69" | 63" | 63" | 64" | 63" | 63" | 64" | 68" | 63" | 64" | 64" |
| Boiler Pressure | 135 psi | 180 psi | 180 psi | 180 psi | 135 psi | 140 psi | 195 psi | 195 psi | 195 psi | 145 psi | 200 psi | 150 psi | 160 psi | 155 psi | 130 psi | 135 psi | 135 psi | 140 psi | 135 psi | 145 psi | 145 psi |
| Cylinders (dia x stroke) | 17" x 24" | 18" x 26" | 18" x 26" | 18" x 26" | 16" x 24" | 18" x 26" | 19" x 26" | 19" x 26" | 19" x 26" | 16" x 24" | 17" x 26" | 17" x 24" | 17" x 24" | 17" x 24" | 15" x 22" | 17" x 24" | 17" x 24" | 17" x 24" | 17" x 24" | 18" x 24" | 18" x 24" |
| Tractive Effort | 12633 lbs | 18679 lbs | 18679 lbs | 18679 lbs | 11191 lbs | 15663 lbs | 22547 lbs | 22547 lbs | 22547 lbs | 11650 lbs | 18513 lbs | 14037 lbs | 14973 lbs | 14278 lbs | 8682 lbs | 12633 lbs | 12436 lbs | 12138 lbs | 12633 lbs | 14975 lbs | 14975 lbs |
| Factor of Adhesion (Weight on Drivers/Tractive Effort) | 4.57 | 4.50 | 4.38 | 4.27 | 4.50 | 4.09 | 3.99 | 4.44 | 4.29 | 4.40 | 5.32 | 3.99 | 4.14 | 4.40 | 4.03 | 3.61 | 4.18 | 4.06 | 3.93 | 4.01 | 4.14 |
| Heating Ability | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Firebox Area | 105.20 sq. ft | 168.20 sq. ft | 136.60 sq. ft | 155.60 sq. ft | 100.10 sq. ft | 127 sq. ft | 161.35 sq. ft | 161.35 sq. ft | 160.50 sq. ft | 106.80 sq. ft | 185.10 sq. ft | 121.30 sq. ft | 133.80 sq. ft | 105 sq. ft | 92 sq. ft | 92.80 sq. ft | 126.10 sq. ft | 109 sq. ft | 76 sq. ft | 138.10 sq. ft | 109 sq. ft |
| Grate Area | 15.10 sq. ft | 26.80 sq. ft | 22.10 sq. ft | 22.40 sq. ft | 15.20 sq. ft | 18.30 sq. ft | 30 sq. ft | 30 sq. ft | 30 sq. ft | 14.30 sq. ft | 26.70 sq. ft | 17 sq. ft | 17.10 sq. ft | 17 sq. ft | 15.50 sq. ft | 14.80 sq. ft | 17.65 sq. ft | 17 sq. ft | 17 sq. ft | 17 sq. ft | 17 sq. ft |
| Evaporative Heating Surface | 1026 | 1782 | 1607 | 1781 | 1016 | 1405 | 2143 | 1779 | 1791 | 1085 | 1426 | 1242 | 1171 | 1160 | 845 | 1184 | 1180 | 1445 | 1011 | 1340 | 1445 |
| Superheating Surface | 415 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Combined Heating Surface | 1026 | 1782 | 1607 | 1781 | 1016 | 1405 | 2143 | 1779 | 1791 | 1085 | 1841 | 1242 | 1171 | 1160 | 845 | 1184 | 1180 | 1445 | 1011 | 1340 | 1445 |
| Evaporative Heating Surface/Cylinder Volume | 162.73 | 232.71 | 209.86 | 232.58 | 181.91 | 183.48 | 251.17 | 208.51 | 209.91 | 194.27 | 208.77 | 196.99 | 185.73 | 183.98 | 187.79 | 187.79 | 187.15 | 229.18 | 160.35 | 189.57 | 204.43 |
| Computations Relating to Power Output (More Information) | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Robert LeMassena's Power Computation | 2039 | 4824 | 3978 | 4032 | 2052 | 2562 | 5850 | 5850 | 5850 | 2074 | 5340 | 2550 | 2736 | 2635 | 2015 | 1998 | 2383 | 2380 | 2295 | 2465 | 2465 |
| Same as above plus superheater percentage | 2039 | 4824 | 3978 | 4032 | 2052 | 2562 | 5850 | 5850 | 5850 | 2074 | 6408 | 2550 | 2736 | 2635 | 2015 | 1998 | 2383 | 2380 | 2295 | 2465 | 2465 |
| Same as above but substitute firebox area for grate area | 14202 | 30276 | 24588 | 28008 | 13514 | 17780 | 31463 | 31463 | 31298 | 15486 | 44424 | 18195 | 21408 | 16275 | 11960 | 12528 | 17024 | 15260 | 10260 | 20025 | 15805 |
| Power L1 | 3489 | 7090 | 6190 | 6917 | 3849 | 3978 | 7753 | 6796 | 6817 | 4554 | 20495 | 4618 | 4903 | 4419 | 3959 | 3705 | 4135 | 5008 | 3127 | 4443 | 4354 |
| Power MT | 266.50 | 372.16 | 333.66 | 382.19 | 336.73 | 274.06 | 379.83 | 299.65 | 310.84 | 391.42 | 918.37 | 363.60 | 348.69 | 310.26 | 498.75 | 358.64 | 350.62 | 447.90 | 277.56 | 326.50 | 309.64 |
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