NO & NE / Virginia Midland / Alabama Great Southern / Richmond & Danville / Augusta Southern / Alabama & Chattanooga / A & V / VS & P / Vicksburg, Shreveport & Pacific / Cincinnati, New Orleans & Tex Pac / Georgia Southern & Florida / East Tennessee, Virginia & Georgia 4-4-0 "American" Type Locomotives

Data from Southern Railway diagrams hosted on southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/steam_loco_diagrams (viewed September 2002).

These ETV&G Americans were built in a batch (works #2247-2251) . When absorbed by the Southern in 1894, they retained their original numbers for a while, but then were renumbered 846-850 and soon 1852-1856 (both in 1903) and ultimately 3852-56 in 1907. Under the latter series, they carried on until the late 1920s, and in 3856's case, until 1937. By that time, 3856 was operating at 160 psi.

Data from Southern Railway diagrams hosted on southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/steam_loco_diagrams (viewed September 2002).

These ETV&G Americans (works # 2910-2915) followed the 1887 batch by only 2 years, but were noticeably larger in the boiler and grate. When absorbed by the Southern in 1894 (one of the class actually coming from the Knoxville & Ohio), they retained their original numbers for a while, but then were renumbered 851-856 and soon 1857-1862 (both in 1903) and ultimately 3857-62 in 1907. Under the latter series, most were scrapped in the late 1920s, but 3858 lasted until 1937 and 3859 until 1939.

Data from the 1942 List and Description of Locomotives on the Southern Railway supplied in March 2004 by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection. Prince (1965) shows that this locomotive must have been one of the oldest in the Southern system. It operated from almost 60 years, not meeting the scrapper September 1927.

Class 103 (Locobase 6496)

Data from the List and Descriptions of Southern Railway Locomotives 1914 supplied in March 2004 by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection. These were works #2499-2500. Low-drivered eight-wheelers.

Class 17 (Locobase 6507)

Data from the 1942 List and Description of Locomotives on the Southern Railway supplied in March 2004 by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection. Prince (1965) shows the complicated history of this trio, which entered service almost 60 years before the Carolina & Northwestern entry in the 1942 listing. The three locomotives were Brooks works #1009-1011. 3849 was scrapped in May 1926, 3851 went 6 years later in May 1932.

3850 was sold to the C & NW in January 1926 and was still on the books in 1942.

Class 5 (Locobase 6514)

Data from the 1914 List and Description of Locomotives on the Southern Railway supplied in March 2004 by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection. Prince (1965) shows that they were builder's numbers 4020 & 4022 (crediting the year as 1876). After the A & C's absorption, by which time they'd been renumbered 650-651, the Southern renumbered them serveral times before scrapping 3711 in August 1911 and 3710 in October 1915..

Class 600 series (Locobase 5157)

The first delivered were the 604-606 (works #s 7720, 7724, 7730) in 1885, followed a year later by 600-601 (7930, 7938) and 602-603 (8113, 8115).

When the R&D was absorbed by the Southern, these engines were grouped in class B-4. In 1903 they were renumbered 820-826, then 1828-1833. In 1907, the Southern change the lead 1 to a 3, designating this group 3828-3833.

Scrapped from 1923 to 1935.

Some data from Southern Railway diagrams hosted on southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/steam_loco_diagrams (viewed September 2002). The boiler pressure shown in the specs comes the closest to yielding the 1893 diagram's tractive effort of 14,100 lb. Prince (1965) gives 160 psi, which may reflect a later setting.

Class 660 (Locobase 6510)

Data from the 1942 List and Description of Locomotives on the Southern Railway supplied in March 2004 by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection.

Prince (1965) shows that these Paterson-built locomotives went through several Southern numberings before arriving in the 3700 block. The first two were scrapped in August and July 1911, respectively, while 3748 held out until January 1922.

Class A (Locobase 7631)

Data from CNO&TP 1893 Locomotive Diagrams and 1914 List and Description of Locomotives supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection and Prince, Steam Locomotives and Boats Southern Railway System (1965).

According to the 1914 list, most of the class then rolled on 62" drivers. 6401 (formerly 545) was sold in June 1917 to Eagle Coal Company.

Class A1 (Locobase 6076)

Data from the 1926 Alabama & Vicksburg locomotive diagram book supplied in March 2004 by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection.

The A & V was a Mississippi railroad whose main line ran 140 miles from Meridian to Vicksburg. Established in the 1880s, the A & V eventually linked up with the Vicksburg, Shreveport & Pacific (which looked west 171 miles from Vicksburg to Shreveport) as the Vicksburg Route. At one point they were grouped with other railroads as the Queen & Crescent Route. In 1926, they were absorbed by the Yazoo & Mississippi Valley. The Y&MV operated independently of the Illinois Central until 1946.

This group of Americans were bought in pairs 14 years apart. The first two (works #10803-804) were built in 1890, the second pair (23658 & 23876) came in 1904 along with the SV & P's 305 (works 23657).

400-401 were dismantled in September 1923 and 404 followed in November 1925.

Class A1 (Locobase 6098)

Data from the 1917 Alabama Great Southern locomotive diagram book supplied in March 2004 by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection.

The AGS was the successor to the Alabama and Chattanooga, an 1870s railroad whose main line was under construction from Chattanooga to Meridian, Mississippi. The mainline was approximately 250 miles long mostly in Mississippi. The AGS was not independent for long - the East Tennessee, Virginia & Georgia and Richmond & Danville together bought a controlling interest in the AGS in April 1890. In another 5 years, the three railroads were amalgamated into the Southern. Interestingly, the AGS retained a separate identity for decades.

This pair of Americans was nearly identical to the Alabama & Vicksburg A1s (Locobase 6076). By 1910, both had been disposed of by the AGS.

Class A1 (Locobase 6099)

Data from the 1917 Alabama Great Southern locomotive diagram book supplied in March 2004 by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection.

Second AGS pair found in the 1917 guide and harking back to the early 1890s.

Builder information from B Rumary list supplied by Allen Stanley in March 2004. Works numbers were 1213-1214 (January 1891). They were later renumbered 171-172. 172 was scrapped in May 1909 while 171 was sold to the Georgia & Florida in October 1909 as their #19. The G & F later renumbered this locomotive 106. It was finally scrapped in October 1934.

Class A1 (Locobase 7632)

Data from CNO&TP 1893 and CNO&TP 1917 Locomotive Diagrams supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection and Prince, Steam Locomotives and Boats Southern Railway System (1965).

The 1893 book shows a firebox heating surface of 166.9 sq ft, while the 1917 book indicates 130 sq ft as shown.

Class A2 (Locobase 6077)

Data from the 1926 Alabama & Vicksburg locomotive diagram book supplied in March 2004 by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection.

Similar to the A&V's A1 class from Baldwin, these were slightly larger locomotives (Richmond works#3316-17). They had 4 sisters on the A&V Vicksburg Route partner, the Vicksburg, Shreveport & Pacific, two - 300-301 -- delivered at the same time (3118-3119), and two more -- 302 (3318) and 303 (Alco works #26238) arriving in 1902.

Class A2 (Locobase 6100)

Data from the 1917 Alabama Great Southern locomotive diagram book supplied in March 2004 by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection.

Quite a jump in grate area for this Eight-wheeler over the A1s and the driver diameter shows a true express engine.

Builder information from B Rumary list supplied by Allen Stanley in March 2004. Works numbers was 1452 (April 1893). Scrapped in February 1913.

Class A2 (Locobase 7633)

Data from CNO&TP 1893 and CNO&TP 1917 Locomotive Diagrams supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection and Prince, Steam Locomotives and Boats Southern Railway System (1965).

This single Rhode Islander (works# 1978) seems to have been modified substantially over its career. Surely the boiler pressure started out much lower than 180 psi and the drivers definitely were smaller than 68".

Class B-1 (Locobase 6087)

Data from the 1917 New Orleans & North Eastern locomotive diagram book supplied in March 2004 by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection.

At the same time Richmond was delivering the A & V's A2 class, they were also supplying this class to the NO & NE. Richmond's works numbers were 2539-40 (1896), 2638 (1897), 2659-60 (1897) and, after a 5-year gap during which Richmond was absorbed by Alco, 26239 (1902) followed two years later by 29461 (1904).

In 1916, the NO & NE -- then a part of the Queen & Crescent System that included the Alabama & Vicksburg and the Vicksburg, Shreveport & Western -- adopted Southern lettering and numbering, at which point this class took on the 6950-6956 numbers. Retirements began in 1922 and finished in 1924, except for 6955, which was sold in November 1928.

Class B-14/B-15 (Locobase 6486)

Data from the Southern Railway locomotive diagram book supplied by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection. Date of the diagram is June 1921.

This pair of Eight-wheelers (Schenectady works #16305-16306) and their 64" cousin from Baldwin (works #17830) worked under Suwannee Route (GS & F) and Southern colors until the late 1920s (for 8201) and 1932 (8200, 8202).

Class B-16 (Locobase 6487)

Data from the Southern Railway locomotive diagram book supplied by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection. Date of the diagram is June 17, 1921.

Although delivered at the same time as the B-14s (Locobase 6486), this quartet was quite a bit bigger and had a different kind of firebox that was much shallower and wider. 151 (works #5556) arrived first, followed in 1901 by the other three (works #5776-5778).

8212 was superheated, its boiler reconfigured to hold 168 tubes, 24 flues. 8213 left service first in 1929, followed by 8210 (1930) and 8211-12 in 1934.

Class E5 (Locobase 7955)

Data from CNO&TP 1893 Locomotive Diagrams supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection.

This one small Eight-wheeler was a relatively early Pittsburgh product.

Class F2 (Locobase 7954)

Data from CNO&TP 1893 Locomotive Diagrams supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection.

The diagram shows two locomotives, the 106 for the AGS and the 301 for the Vicksburg, Shreveport & Pacific, both by the same small builder, but supposedly procured a decade apart.

Class F3 (Locobase 7953)

Data from CNO&TP 1893 Locomotive Diagrams supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection.

This single Rhodie had a classic early American profile. The drivers were closely spaced, but still managed to embrace a deep firebox. Over the crown sheet sat the relatively small-diameter (27") steam dome. A slight taper forward led to a long, slender boiler. The stack and cylinders were centered over the truck, but the smokebox extended well forward.

Class F5 (Locobase 7951)

Data from CNO&TP 1893 Locomotive Diagrams supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection.

Some of the small number of locomotives produced by this Massachusetts builder, this class came in two driver sizes. The first four had the 62" wheels as shown, the last two had 56" drivers.The VS & P was later merged into the Cincinnati, New Orleans & Texas Pacific.

Class I (Locobase 7952)

Data from CNO&TP 1893 Locomotive Diagrams supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection.

The 6 locomotives that are grouped in the same diagram were delivered at widely varying times. 308 arrived in 1866, 401-402 (works #2256, 2253) came in 1870, 408 in 1877 (works #4227), and 409-410 in 1880 (works #5173, 5243). Locobase doesn't believe the class truly should include all those numbered because the dimensions are so small. The 308 originally was delivered to the Vicksburg, Shreveport & Pacific and Locobase believes it's the only one that properly belongs. The others all came to the Alabama & Vicksburg later on, although their dimensions were apparently identical.

Class I2 (Locobase 7950)

Data from CNO&TP 1893 Locomotive Diagrams supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection.

This pair of Americans was small even for 1872, especially in such dimensions as overall heating surface and cylinder volume. They were considerably smaller than the other 400-series engines on the Alabama & Vicksburg, the others having been delivered more than 15 years later.

Class N (Locobase 6108)

Data from the CNO&TP 1893 locomotive diagram book supplied in March 2004 by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection. .

This pair of Eight-wheelers were Richmond's 2188-2189 and were supplied in a batch that included 7 T -class Ten-wheelers.

Specifications
Class103175600 series660AA1A1A1A1A2A2A2B-1B-14/B-15B-16E5F2F3F5II2N
Locobase ID51585159650964966507651451576510763160766098609976326077610076336087648664877955795479537951795279506108
RailroadEast Tennessee, Virginia & Georgia (SRS)East Tennessee, Virginia & Georgia (SRS)Virginia Midland (SRS)Augusta Southern (SRS)Virginia Midland (SRS)Alabama & Chattanooga (SRS)Richmond & Danville (SRS)Alabama & Chattanooga (SRS)Cincinnati, New Orleans & Tex Pac (SRS)A & V / VS & P (SRS)Alabama Great Southern (SRS)Alabama Great Southern (SRS)Cincinnati, New Orleans & Tex Pac (SRS)A & V / VS & P (SRS)Alabama Great Southern (SRS)Cincinnati, New Orleans & Tex Pac (SRS)NO & NE (SRS)Georgia Southern & Florida (SRS)Georgia Southern & Florida (SRS)East Tennessee, Virginia & Georgia (SRS)Alabama Great Southern (SRS)Alabama Great Southern (SRS)Vicksburg, Shreveport & Pacific (SRS)A & V / VS & P (SRS)A & V / VS & P (SRS)East Tennessee, Virginia & Georgia (SRS)
Whyte4-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-0
Road Numbers208-212213-218103-10417-19 / 3849-38515-6 / 3710-3711600-606660-662 / 3746-3748575-83 / 540-47 / 6400-01400-401, 404-405170-171160-161 / 172-173584403-404, 300-303115 / 174585200-04, 207-08/ 6950-6956116-118 / 8200-8202151-154 / 8210-821310106 & 301127310-312, 319, 321-322308, 401-02, 408-410403-40416-17
GaugeStdStdStdStdStdStdStdStdStdStdStdStdStdStdStdStdStdStdStdStd5'5'StdStdStdStd
BuilderSchenectadySchenectadyBaltimoreRichmondBrooksBurnham, Parry, Williams & CoBurnham, Parry, Williams & CoGrantBurnham, Parry, Williams & CoBurnham, Parry, Williams & CoBurnham, Parry, Williams & CoPittsburghBurnham, Parry, Williams & CoRichmondPittsburghRhode IslandRichmondSchenectadySchenectadyPittsburghPortlandRhode IslandTauntonM W Baldwin & CoRogersRichmond
Year18871889186818951884187718851872188318901890189118881901189218881896190019001885187218701870186618721891
Valve GearStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephenson
Locomotive Length and Weight
Driver Wheelbase 8.50'9' 8.50' 6.50' 8.58'8' 8.50'8' 8.50' 9.08' 9.08' 9.08' 8.75'9'8' 9.08'9' 9.08' 8.50' 8.33' 7.50' 6.67' 7.50'7' 7.46' 8.75'
Engine Wheelbase23.42'24.17'22.59'22.50'23.08'24.17'22.75'23.17'23'23.17'24.29'24.70'22.42'23.38'22.27'22.25'22.45'22.54'22.75'
Ratio of driving wheelbase to overall engine wheebase 0.36 0.37 0.38 0.38 0.39 0.38 0.38 0.39 0.39 0.39 0.37 0.34 0.37 0.32 0.30 0.34 0.31 0.33 0.38
Overall Wheelbase (engine & tender)44.67'43'45.83'44'44.67'44.33'45.56'51.75'45.67'46.33'46.15'52.02'49.04'45.12'52.02'46.17'56.29'43.79'43.62'41.54'44.67'42.46'45'45.54'
Axle Loading (Maximum Weight per Axle)
Weight on Drivers60500 lbs66000 lbs56400 lbs67000 lbs54500 lbs43000 lbs57000 lbs43620 lbs58000 lbs66900 lbs60100 lbs65400 lbs61000 lbs71500 lbs68000 lbs66800 lbs71500 lbs70100 lbs93000 lbs46400 lbs40000 lbs42000 lbs30500 lbs36675 lbs37695 lbs64000 lbs
Engine Weight91500 lbs101400 lbs93750 lbs86000 lbs85100 lbs66000 lbs90000 lbs70100 lbs90000 lbs105900 lbs93900 lbs101600 lbs95000 lbs101000 lbs115000 lbs105400 lbs101000 lbs113000 lbs130000 lbs74000 lbs67000 lbs67000 lbs64000 lbs61450 lbs60140 lbs98000 lbs
Tender Light Weight78000 lbs77600 lbs64000 lbs50000 lbs65000 lbs56800 lbs74000 lbs64900 lbs78250 lbs113900 lbs92600 lbs78500 lbs79200 lbs113900 lbs92600 lbs79200 lbs113900 lbs92300 lbs116000 lbs
Total Engine and Tender Weight169500 lbs179000 lbs157750 lbs136000 lbs150100 lbs122800 lbs164000 lbs135000 lbs168250 lbs219800 lbs186500 lbs180100 lbs174200 lbs214900 lbs207600 lbs184600 lbs214900 lbs205300 lbs246000 lbs152000 lbs63450 lbs63450 lbs130140 lbs63450 lbs130140 lbs170000 lbs
Tender Water Capacity3500 gals42000 gals2900 gals3000 gals3000 gals3000 gals3000 gals3000 gals3250 gals5500 gals4200 gals3500 gals3350 gals5500 gals4200 gals3570 gals5500 gals4500 gals5000 gals2400 gals1800 gals2200 gals2400 gals2000 gals2000 gals3500 gals
Tender Fuel Capacity (oil/coal)11 tons tons tons tons11 tons tons tons11 tons10 tons12 tons tons tons tons tons tons tons tons
Minimum weight per yard of rail on which locomotive could run50 lb rail55 lb rail47 lb rail56 lb rail45 lb rail36 lb rail48 lb rail36 lb rail48 lb rail56 lb rail50 lb rail55 lb rail51 lb rail60 lb rail57 lb rail56 lb rail60 lb rail58 lb rail78 lb rail39 lb rail33 lb rail35 lb rail25 lb rail31 lb rail31 lb rail53 lb rail
Geometry Relating to Tractive Effort
Driver Diameter62"63"62"56"62"62"66"62"56"64"69"63"62"64"73"68"64"72"69"62"63"63"62"56"56"63"
Boiler Pressure145 psi150 psi135 psi150 psi160 psi130 psi140 psi130 psi140 psi200 psi160 psi160 psi140 psi190 psi180 psi180 psi190 psi180 psi200 psi135 psi130 psi130 psi140 psi130 psi130 psi150 psi
Cylinders (dia x stroke)18" x 24"18" x 24"17" x 24"17" x 24"18" x 24"16" x 24"18" x 24"17" x 24"18" x 21"18" x 24"18" x 24"18" x 24"18" x 24"18" x 24"18" x 26"18" x 24"18" x 24"18" x 24"19" x 26"17" x 24"16" x 24"16" x 24"16" x 24"14" x 24"14.5" x 24"18" x 24"
Tractive Effort15458 lbs15737 lbs12837 lbs15792 lbs17057 lbs10950 lbs14020 lbs12362 lbs14459 lbs20655 lbs15327 lbs16786 lbs14925 lbs19622 lbs17656 lbs17496 lbs19622 lbs16524 lbs23125 lbs12837 lbs10776 lbs10776 lbs11793 lbs9282 lbs9957 lbs15737 lbs
Factor of Adhesion (Weight on Drivers/Tractive Effort) 3.91 4.19 4.39 4.24 3.20 3.93 4.07 3.53 4.01 3.24 3.92 3.90 4.09 3.64 3.85 3.82 3.64 4.24 4.02 3.61 3.71 3.90 2.59 3.95 3.79 4.07
Heating Ability
Firebox Area112.51 sq. ft125 sq. ft134 sq. ft134 sq. ft125 sq. ft130 sq. ft144 sq. ft123 sq. ft155.50 sq. ft144 sq. ft166 sq. ft176 sq. ft104.52 sq. ft75 sq. ft84 sq. ft75 sq. ft78.17 sq. ft67.75 sq. ft152.95 sq. ft
Grate Area17.30 sq. ft18.21 sq. ft13.60 sq. ft21.90 sq. ft17 sq. ft15.50 sq. ft17 sq. ft12.40 sq. ft16 sq. ft18.26 sq. ft18.26 sq. ft18.10 sq. ft17.60 sq. ft18.50 sq. ft26.80 sq. ft19.12 sq. ft18.50 sq. ft18.50 sq. ft30.60 sq. ft16.53 sq. ft14 sq. ft13.50 sq. ft14 sq. ft11.50 sq. ft13.25 sq. ft17.80 sq. ft
Evaporative Heating Surface160116949321200126592314588951456145114281351159215161473151915161714236610319128968647808811480
Superheating Surface
Combined Heating Surface160116949321200126592314588951456145114281351159215161473151915161714236610319128968647808811480
Evaporative Heating Surface/Cylinder Volume226.50239.65147.82190.33178.96165.26206.26141.95235.41205.27202.02191.13225.22214.47192.36214.89214.47242.48277.31163.52163.29160.43154.70182.41192.07209.38
Computations Relating to Power Output (More Information)
Robert LeMassena's Power Computation25092732183632852720201523801612224036522922289624643515482434423515333061202232182017551960149517232670
Same as above plus superheater percentage25092732183632852720201523801612224036522922289624643515482434423515333061202232182017551960149517232670
Same as above but substitute firebox area for grate area0168770000001750026800214402000018200273602214027990273602988035200141109750109201050010162880822943
Power L105028000000439664015461469645896411597166286411777487503437314532163209332232265002
Power MT0335.90000000334.19421.88400.65316.60331.70395.35387.17437.49395.35488.98414.85326.61346.68337.62463.91399.39377.35344.61

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