These ETV&G Americans were built in a batch (works #2247-2251) . When absorbed by the Southern in 1894, they retained their original numbers for a while, but then were renumbered 846-850 and soon 1852-1856 (both in 1903) and ultimately 3852-56 in 1907. Under the latter series, they carried on until the late 1920s, and in 3856's case, until 1937. By that time, 3856 was operating at 160 psi.
Data from Southern Railway diagrams hosted on southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/steam_loco_diagrams (viewed September 2002).
These ETV&G Americans (works # 2910-2915) followed the 1887 batch by only 2 years, but were noticeably larger in the boiler and grate. When absorbed by the Southern in 1894 (one of the class actually coming from the Knoxville & Ohio), they retained their original numbers for a while, but then were renumbered 851-856 and soon 1857-1862 (both in 1903) and ultimately 3857-62 in 1907. Under the latter series, most were scrapped in the late 1920s, but 3858 lasted until 1937 and 3859 until 1939.
Data from the 1942 List and Description of Locomotives on the Southern Railway supplied in March 2004 by Allen Stanley from his extensive collection. Prince (1965) shows that this locomotive must have been one of the oldest in the Southern system. It operated from almost 60 years, not meeting the scrapper September 1927.
3850 was sold to the C & NW in January 1926 and was still on the books in 1942.
When the R&D was absorbed by the Southern, these engines were grouped in class B-4. In 1903 they were renumbered 820-826, then 1828-1833. In 1907, the Southern change the lead 1 to a 3, designating this group 3828-3833.
Scrapped from 1923 to 1935.
Some data from Southern Railway diagrams hosted on southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/steam_loco_diagrams (viewed September 2002). The boiler pressure shown in the specs comes the closest to yielding the 1893 diagram's tractive effort of 14,100 lb. Prince (1965) gives 160 psi, which may reflect a later setting.
Prince (1965) shows that these Paterson-built locomotives went through several Southern numberings before arriving in the 3700 block. The first two were scrapped in August and July 1911, respectively, while 3748 held out until January 1922.
According to the 1914 list, most of the class then rolled on 62" drivers. 6401 (formerly 545) was sold in June 1917 to Eagle Coal Company.
The A & V was a Mississippi railroad whose main line ran 140 miles from Meridian to Vicksburg. Established in the 1880s, the A & V eventually linked up with the Vicksburg, Shreveport & Pacific (which looked west 171 miles from Vicksburg to Shreveport) as the Vicksburg Route. At one point they were grouped with other railroads as the Queen & Crescent Route. In 1926, they were absorbed by the Yazoo & Mississippi Valley. The Y&MV operated independently of the Illinois Central until 1946.
This group of Americans were bought in pairs 14 years apart. The first two (works #10803-804) were built in 1890, the second pair (23658 & 23876) came in 1904 along with the SV & P's 305 (works 23657).
400-401 were dismantled in September 1923 and 404 followed in November 1925.
The AGS was the successor to the Alabama and Chattanooga, an 1870s railroad whose main line was under construction from Chattanooga to Meridian, Mississippi. The mainline was approximately 250 miles long mostly in Mississippi. The AGS was not independent for long - the East Tennessee, Virginia & Georgia and Richmond & Danville together bought a controlling interest in the AGS in April 1890. In another 5 years, the three railroads were amalgamated into the Southern. Interestingly, the AGS retained a separate identity for decades.
This pair of Americans was nearly identical to the Alabama & Vicksburg A1s (Locobase 6076). By 1910, both had been disposed of by the AGS.
Second AGS pair found in the 1917 guide and harking back to the early 1890s.
Builder information from B Rumary list supplied by Allen Stanley in March 2004. Works numbers were 1213-1214 (January 1891). They were later renumbered 171-172. 172 was scrapped in May 1909 while 171 was sold to the Georgia & Florida in October 1909 as their #19. The G & F later renumbered this locomotive 106. It was finally scrapped in October 1934.
The 1893 book shows a firebox heating surface of 166.9 sq ft, while the 1917 book indicates 130 sq ft as shown.
Similar to the A&V's A1 class from Baldwin, these were slightly larger locomotives (Richmond works#3316-17). They had 4 sisters on the A&V Vicksburg Route partner, the Vicksburg, Shreveport & Pacific, two - 300-301 -- delivered at the same time (3118-3119), and two more -- 302 (3318) and 303 (Alco works #26238) arriving in 1902.
Quite a jump in grate area for this Eight-wheeler over the A1s and the driver diameter shows a true express engine.
Builder information from B Rumary list supplied by Allen Stanley in March 2004. Works numbers was 1452 (April 1893). Scrapped in February 1913.
This single Rhode Islander (works# 1978) seems to have been modified substantially over its career. Surely the boiler pressure started out much lower than 180 psi and the drivers definitely were smaller than 68".
At the same time Richmond was delivering the A & V's A2 class, they were also supplying this class to the NO & NE. Richmond's works numbers were 2539-40 (1896), 2638 (1897), 2659-60 (1897) and, after a 5-year gap during which Richmond was absorbed by Alco, 26239 (1902) followed two years later by 29461 (1904).
In 1916, the NO & NE -- then a part of the Queen & Crescent System that included the Alabama & Vicksburg and the Vicksburg, Shreveport & Western -- adopted Southern lettering and numbering, at which point this class took on the 6950-6956 numbers. Retirements began in 1922 and finished in 1924, except for 6955, which was sold in November 1928.
This pair of Eight-wheelers (Schenectady works #16305-16306) and their 64" cousin from Baldwin (works #17830) worked under Suwannee Route (GS & F) and Southern colors until the late 1920s (for 8201) and 1932 (8200, 8202).
Although delivered at the same time as the B-14s (Locobase 6486), this quartet was quite a bit bigger and had a different kind of firebox that was much shallower and wider. 151 (works #5556) arrived first, followed in 1901 by the other three (works #5776-5778).
8212 was superheated, its boiler reconfigured to hold 168 tubes, 24 flues. 8213 left service first in 1929, followed by 8210 (1930) and 8211-12 in 1934.
This one small Eight-wheeler was a relatively early Pittsburgh product.
The diagram shows two locomotives, the 106 for the AGS and the 301 for the Vicksburg, Shreveport & Pacific, both by the same small builder, but supposedly procured a decade apart.
This single Rhodie had a classic early American profile. The drivers were closely spaced, but still managed to embrace a deep firebox. Over the crown sheet sat the relatively small-diameter (27") steam dome. A slight taper forward led to a long, slender boiler. The stack and cylinders were centered over the truck, but the smokebox extended well forward.
Some of the small number of locomotives produced by this Massachusetts builder, this class came in two driver sizes. The first four had the 62" wheels as shown, the last two had 56" drivers.The VS & P was later merged into the Cincinnati, New Orleans & Texas Pacific.
The 6 locomotives that are grouped in the same diagram were delivered at widely varying times. 308 arrived in 1866, 401-402 (works #2256, 2253) came in 1870, 408 in 1877 (works #4227), and 409-410 in 1880 (works #5173, 5243). Locobase doesn't believe the class truly should include all those numbered because the dimensions are so small. The 308 originally was delivered to the Vicksburg, Shreveport & Pacific and Locobase believes it's the only one that properly belongs. The others all came to the Alabama & Vicksburg later on, although their dimensions were apparently identical.
This pair of Americans was small even for 1872, especially in such dimensions as overall heating surface and cylinder volume. They were considerably smaller than the other 400-series engines on the Alabama & Vicksburg, the others having been delivered more than 15 years later.
This pair of Eight-wheelers were Richmond's 2188-2189 and were supplied in a batch that included 7 T -class Ten-wheelers.
| Specifications | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Class | 103 | 17 | 5 | 600 series | 660 | A | A1 | A1 | A1 | A1 | A2 | A2 | A2 | B-1 | B-14/B-15 | B-16 | E5 | F2 | F3 | F5 | I | I2 | N | |||
| Locobase ID | 5158 | 5159 | 6509 | 6496 | 6507 | 6514 | 5157 | 6510 | 7631 | 6076 | 6098 | 6099 | 7632 | 6077 | 6100 | 7633 | 6087 | 6486 | 6487 | 7955 | 7954 | 7953 | 7951 | 7952 | 7950 | 6108 |
| Railroad | East Tennessee, Virginia & Georgia (SRS) | East Tennessee, Virginia & Georgia (SRS) | Virginia Midland (SRS) | Augusta Southern (SRS) | Virginia Midland (SRS) | Alabama & Chattanooga (SRS) | Richmond & Danville (SRS) | Alabama & Chattanooga (SRS) | Cincinnati, New Orleans & Tex Pac (SRS) | A & V / VS & P (SRS) | Alabama Great Southern (SRS) | Alabama Great Southern (SRS) | Cincinnati, New Orleans & Tex Pac (SRS) | A & V / VS & P (SRS) | Alabama Great Southern (SRS) | Cincinnati, New Orleans & Tex Pac (SRS) | NO & NE (SRS) | Georgia Southern & Florida (SRS) | Georgia Southern & Florida (SRS) | East Tennessee, Virginia & Georgia (SRS) | Alabama Great Southern (SRS) | Alabama Great Southern (SRS) | Vicksburg, Shreveport & Pacific (SRS) | A & V / VS & P (SRS) | A & V / VS & P (SRS) | East Tennessee, Virginia & Georgia (SRS) |
| Whyte | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 | 4-4-0 |
| Road Numbers | 208-212 | 213-218 | 103-104 | 17-19 / 3849-3851 | 5-6 / 3710-3711 | 600-606 | 660-662 / 3746-3748 | 575-83 / 540-47 / 6400-01 | 400-401, 404-405 | 170-171 | 160-161 / 172-173 | 584 | 403-404, 300-303 | 115 / 174 | 585 | 200-04, 207-08/ 6950-6956 | 116-118 / 8200-8202 | 151-154 / 8210-8213 | 10 | 106 & 301 | 127 | 310-312, 319, 321-322 | 308, 401-02, 408-410 | 403-404 | 16-17 | |
| Gauge | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | 5' | 5' | Std | Std | Std | Std |
| Builder | Schenectady | Schenectady | Baltimore | Richmond | Brooks | Burnham, Parry, Williams & Co | Burnham, Parry, Williams & Co | Grant | Burnham, Parry, Williams & Co | Burnham, Parry, Williams & Co | Burnham, Parry, Williams & Co | Pittsburgh | Burnham, Parry, Williams & Co | Richmond | Pittsburgh | Rhode Island | Richmond | Schenectady | Schenectady | Pittsburgh | Portland | Rhode Island | Taunton | M W Baldwin & Co | Rogers | Richmond |
| Year | 1887 | 1889 | 1868 | 1895 | 1884 | 1877 | 1885 | 1872 | 1883 | 1890 | 1890 | 1891 | 1888 | 1901 | 1892 | 1888 | 1896 | 1900 | 1900 | 1885 | 1872 | 1870 | 1870 | 1866 | 1872 | 1891 |
| Valve Gear | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson |
| Locomotive Length and Weight | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Driver Wheelbase | 8.50' | 9' | 8.50' | 6.50' | 8.58' | 8' | 8.50' | 8' | 8.50' | 9.08' | 9.08' | 9.08' | 8.75' | 9' | 8' | 9.08' | 9' | 9.08' | 8.50' | 8.33' | 7.50' | 6.67' | 7.50' | 7' | 7.46' | 8.75' |
| Engine Wheelbase | 23.42' | 24.17' | 22.59' | 22.50' | 23.08' | 24.17' | 22.75' | 23.17' | 23' | 23.17' | 24.29' | 24.70' | 22.42' | 23.38' | 22.27' | 22.25' | 22.45' | 22.54' | 22.75' | |||||||
| Ratio of driving wheelbase to overall engine wheebase | 0.36 | 0.37 | 0.38 | 0.38 | 0.39 | 0.38 | 0.38 | 0.39 | 0.39 | 0.39 | 0.37 | 0.34 | 0.37 | 0.32 | 0.30 | 0.34 | 0.31 | 0.33 | 0.38 | |||||||
| Overall Wheelbase (engine & tender) | 44.67' | 43' | 45.83' | 44' | 44.67' | 44.33' | 45.56' | 51.75' | 45.67' | 46.33' | 46.15' | 52.02' | 49.04' | 45.12' | 52.02' | 46.17' | 56.29' | 43.79' | 43.62' | 41.54' | 44.67' | 42.46' | 45' | 45.54' | ||
| Axle Loading (Maximum Weight per Axle) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Weight on Drivers | 60500 lbs | 66000 lbs | 56400 lbs | 67000 lbs | 54500 lbs | 43000 lbs | 57000 lbs | 43620 lbs | 58000 lbs | 66900 lbs | 60100 lbs | 65400 lbs | 61000 lbs | 71500 lbs | 68000 lbs | 66800 lbs | 71500 lbs | 70100 lbs | 93000 lbs | 46400 lbs | 40000 lbs | 42000 lbs | 30500 lbs | 36675 lbs | 37695 lbs | 64000 lbs |
| Engine Weight | 91500 lbs | 101400 lbs | 93750 lbs | 86000 lbs | 85100 lbs | 66000 lbs | 90000 lbs | 70100 lbs | 90000 lbs | 105900 lbs | 93900 lbs | 101600 lbs | 95000 lbs | 101000 lbs | 115000 lbs | 105400 lbs | 101000 lbs | 113000 lbs | 130000 lbs | 74000 lbs | 67000 lbs | 67000 lbs | 64000 lbs | 61450 lbs | 60140 lbs | 98000 lbs |
| Tender Light Weight | 78000 lbs | 77600 lbs | 64000 lbs | 50000 lbs | 65000 lbs | 56800 lbs | 74000 lbs | 64900 lbs | 78250 lbs | 113900 lbs | 92600 lbs | 78500 lbs | 79200 lbs | 113900 lbs | 92600 lbs | 79200 lbs | 113900 lbs | 92300 lbs | 116000 lbs | |||||||
| Total Engine and Tender Weight | 169500 lbs | 179000 lbs | 157750 lbs | 136000 lbs | 150100 lbs | 122800 lbs | 164000 lbs | 135000 lbs | 168250 lbs | 219800 lbs | 186500 lbs | 180100 lbs | 174200 lbs | 214900 lbs | 207600 lbs | 184600 lbs | 214900 lbs | 205300 lbs | 246000 lbs | 152000 lbs | 63450 lbs | 63450 lbs | 130140 lbs | 63450 lbs | 130140 lbs | 170000 lbs |
| Tender Water Capacity | 3500 gals | 42000 gals | 2900 gals | 3000 gals | 3000 gals | 3000 gals | 3000 gals | 3000 gals | 3250 gals | 5500 gals | 4200 gals | 3500 gals | 3350 gals | 5500 gals | 4200 gals | 3570 gals | 5500 gals | 4500 gals | 5000 gals | 2400 gals | 1800 gals | 2200 gals | 2400 gals | 2000 gals | 2000 gals | 3500 gals |
| Tender Fuel Capacity (oil/coal) | 11 tons | tons | tons | tons | 11 tons | tons | tons | 11 tons | 10 tons | 12 tons | tons | tons | tons | tons | tons | tons | tons | |||||||||
| Minimum weight per yard of rail on which locomotive could run | 50 lb rail | 55 lb rail | 47 lb rail | 56 lb rail | 45 lb rail | 36 lb rail | 48 lb rail | 36 lb rail | 48 lb rail | 56 lb rail | 50 lb rail | 55 lb rail | 51 lb rail | 60 lb rail | 57 lb rail | 56 lb rail | 60 lb rail | 58 lb rail | 78 lb rail | 39 lb rail | 33 lb rail | 35 lb rail | 25 lb rail | 31 lb rail | 31 lb rail | 53 lb rail |
| Geometry Relating to Tractive Effort | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Driver Diameter | 62" | 63" | 62" | 56" | 62" | 62" | 66" | 62" | 56" | 64" | 69" | 63" | 62" | 64" | 73" | 68" | 64" | 72" | 69" | 62" | 63" | 63" | 62" | 56" | 56" | 63" |
| Boiler Pressure | 145 psi | 150 psi | 135 psi | 150 psi | 160 psi | 130 psi | 140 psi | 130 psi | 140 psi | 200 psi | 160 psi | 160 psi | 140 psi | 190 psi | 180 psi | 180 psi | 190 psi | 180 psi | 200 psi | 135 psi | 130 psi | 130 psi | 140 psi | 130 psi | 130 psi | 150 psi |
| Cylinders (dia x stroke) | 18" x 24" | 18" x 24" | 17" x 24" | 17" x 24" | 18" x 24" | 16" x 24" | 18" x 24" | 17" x 24" | 18" x 21" | 18" x 24" | 18" x 24" | 18" x 24" | 18" x 24" | 18" x 24" | 18" x 26" | 18" x 24" | 18" x 24" | 18" x 24" | 19" x 26" | 17" x 24" | 16" x 24" | 16" x 24" | 16" x 24" | 14" x 24" | 14.5" x 24" | 18" x 24" |
| Tractive Effort | 15458 lbs | 15737 lbs | 12837 lbs | 15792 lbs | 17057 lbs | 10950 lbs | 14020 lbs | 12362 lbs | 14459 lbs | 20655 lbs | 15327 lbs | 16786 lbs | 14925 lbs | 19622 lbs | 17656 lbs | 17496 lbs | 19622 lbs | 16524 lbs | 23125 lbs | 12837 lbs | 10776 lbs | 10776 lbs | 11793 lbs | 9282 lbs | 9957 lbs | 15737 lbs |
| Factor of Adhesion (Weight on Drivers/Tractive Effort) | 3.91 | 4.19 | 4.39 | 4.24 | 3.20 | 3.93 | 4.07 | 3.53 | 4.01 | 3.24 | 3.92 | 3.90 | 4.09 | 3.64 | 3.85 | 3.82 | 3.64 | 4.24 | 4.02 | 3.61 | 3.71 | 3.90 | 2.59 | 3.95 | 3.79 | 4.07 |
| Heating Ability | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Firebox Area | 112.51 sq. ft | 125 sq. ft | 134 sq. ft | 134 sq. ft | 125 sq. ft | 130 sq. ft | 144 sq. ft | 123 sq. ft | 155.50 sq. ft | 144 sq. ft | 166 sq. ft | 176 sq. ft | 104.52 sq. ft | 75 sq. ft | 84 sq. ft | 75 sq. ft | 78.17 sq. ft | 67.75 sq. ft | 152.95 sq. ft | |||||||
| Grate Area | 17.30 sq. ft | 18.21 sq. ft | 13.60 sq. ft | 21.90 sq. ft | 17 sq. ft | 15.50 sq. ft | 17 sq. ft | 12.40 sq. ft | 16 sq. ft | 18.26 sq. ft | 18.26 sq. ft | 18.10 sq. ft | 17.60 sq. ft | 18.50 sq. ft | 26.80 sq. ft | 19.12 sq. ft | 18.50 sq. ft | 18.50 sq. ft | 30.60 sq. ft | 16.53 sq. ft | 14 sq. ft | 13.50 sq. ft | 14 sq. ft | 11.50 sq. ft | 13.25 sq. ft | 17.80 sq. ft |
| Evaporative Heating Surface | 1601 | 1694 | 932 | 1200 | 1265 | 923 | 1458 | 895 | 1456 | 1451 | 1428 | 1351 | 1592 | 1516 | 1473 | 1519 | 1516 | 1714 | 2366 | 1031 | 912 | 896 | 864 | 780 | 881 | 1480 |
| Superheating Surface | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Combined Heating Surface | 1601 | 1694 | 932 | 1200 | 1265 | 923 | 1458 | 895 | 1456 | 1451 | 1428 | 1351 | 1592 | 1516 | 1473 | 1519 | 1516 | 1714 | 2366 | 1031 | 912 | 896 | 864 | 780 | 881 | 1480 |
| Evaporative Heating Surface/Cylinder Volume | 226.50 | 239.65 | 147.82 | 190.33 | 178.96 | 165.26 | 206.26 | 141.95 | 235.41 | 205.27 | 202.02 | 191.13 | 225.22 | 214.47 | 192.36 | 214.89 | 214.47 | 242.48 | 277.31 | 163.52 | 163.29 | 160.43 | 154.70 | 182.41 | 192.07 | 209.38 |
| Computations Relating to Power Output (More Information) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Robert LeMassena's Power Computation | 2509 | 2732 | 1836 | 3285 | 2720 | 2015 | 2380 | 1612 | 2240 | 3652 | 2922 | 2896 | 2464 | 3515 | 4824 | 3442 | 3515 | 3330 | 6120 | 2232 | 1820 | 1755 | 1960 | 1495 | 1723 | 2670 |
| Same as above plus superheater percentage | 2509 | 2732 | 1836 | 3285 | 2720 | 2015 | 2380 | 1612 | 2240 | 3652 | 2922 | 2896 | 2464 | 3515 | 4824 | 3442 | 3515 | 3330 | 6120 | 2232 | 1820 | 1755 | 1960 | 1495 | 1723 | 2670 |
| Same as above but substitute firebox area for grate area | 0 | 16877 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 17500 | 26800 | 21440 | 20000 | 18200 | 27360 | 22140 | 27990 | 27360 | 29880 | 35200 | 14110 | 9750 | 10920 | 10500 | 10162 | 8808 | 22943 |
| Power L1 | 0 | 5028 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4396 | 6401 | 5461 | 4696 | 4589 | 6411 | 5971 | 6628 | 6411 | 7774 | 8750 | 3437 | 3145 | 3216 | 3209 | 3322 | 3226 | 5002 |
| Power MT | 0 | 335.90 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 334.19 | 421.88 | 400.65 | 316.60 | 331.70 | 395.35 | 387.17 | 437.49 | 395.35 | 488.98 | 414.85 | 326.61 | 346.68 | 337.62 | 463.91 | 399.39 | 377.35 | 344.61 |
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