Although described by the catalogue as a "Mogul Freight," the 64" drivers would have let this engine take on some light passenger duties as well. Wagon-top boiler had the steam dome right ahead of the cab.
Based on its failure to appear in the B.Rumary, 25 Kingscombe, Gurney Slade, Radstock, BA3 4TH, ENGLAND and Jeremy Lambert summary as supplied by Allen Stanley in March 2004, Locobase suspects this locomotive may not actually have gone into NYC service.
This freight hauler was the subject of a 28 October 1898 Railroad Gazette which recounted a recent series of freight runs with up to 81 loaded cars or 126 light cars. Trailing load of the loaded train was 3,428 tons. Water consumption was pleasingly low, according to the article, coming in at 12.9 lb of water per car per mile.
Locobase 3285 shows the comparison engine, this compiler believes, to the present design, which was supervised by young Cornelius Vanderbilt, III. He was then working for the Superintendent of Motive Power and Rolling Stock William Buchanan. The Times's interest in Vanderbilt's locomotive likely stemmed from a) he was a Vanderbilt, for heaven's sakes, and b) steam locomotives were seen as the most compelling motive technology then in widespread use.
The New York Central would put 5 Moguls into service with Vanderbilt's corrugated firebox three years later; see Locobase 4104.
The data comes from a reproduction of the New York Central's 1902 Locomotive guide found on http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/ncy-lbp141.gif (visited December 2002) It shows a smaller boiler than the RG's account, but as it is the railroad's guide, I go with the NYC.
These low-drivered locomotives were of medium size in the range of NY&HRR Moguls.
Listed in a 1901 Railroad Gazette (vol XXXIII #14), p 232 account of the redesignation of many of the New York Central's locomotives. It seems likely that the "P-2" and "P-5" were redesignated E-1D and E-1E, but it's been difficult to confirm this.
Another in a series of Moguls built for the NYC, this particular batch had less heating surface than those put in service in 1899 according to a comparison published in the Railroad Gazette of 30 March 1900. Compared to the slightly earlier Mogul delivered in 1898, however, these engines showed an increase of almost 15% in power.
Several rebuilt with a boiler that had 355 2" tubes, total heating surface of 2,447 sq ft (firebox heating surface contributing 193 sq ft).
This was a single compound locomotive based on the E-1D. The guide says the "cylinders are 3 1/2" farther forward, adding this distance to the smoke box back of center of stack and to the wheelbase. The total length of the smoke box is 8 1/2" more than class E-1D."
Profiled in the Railroad Gazette of 10 May 1901, this Mogul was built to explore the possibilities of the Vanderbilt boiler. The Vanderbilt was designed to eliminate the weaknesses of the staybolt boiler. The standard firebox was replaced by a Morison suspension-type cylindrical firebox with an internal diameter of 59 inches. 4-inch corrugations in the walls were designed to strengthen the firebox while offering up more heating surface.
Schenectady's engines had sling stays under the front end of the firebox; Baldwin's did not. Otherwise, they were virtually identical and both builders provided the rotund boiler that was intended to provide more steaming space than that found in the original Vanderbilt design.
Although the article claimed savings over the conventional boiler, the data shows a considerably smaller firebox heating surface, which suggests that the larger grate and firetube heating surface may have been wasted. Also, the high number of fire tubes must have offered many more opportunities for leakage and failure.
In any event, very few locomotives were ever built with the Vanderbilt boiler.
E-5B had a slightly larger boiler, but put less weight on the drivers. One locomotive in the guide (1795).
Locobase doesn't know when these Moguls first began operating on the Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago & Indianapolis, but believes it was 1888. See Locobase 7663 for a Big Four Mogul from 1887, which had very similar specs.
After the first was delivered from Grant, the others all came from the Big Four's own shop. As delivered, the class had a 17.9-sq ft grate presenting 110 sq ft of heating surface.
In 1910-1911, the class received a new radial stay boiler with a longer firebox with a larger grate that raised the heating surface area to 116 sq ft. In addition to the increased grate area, boiler pressure climbed from 140 to 170 psi, and adhesion weight increase by 3 tons.
Locobase suspects that the data for this set of Brooks engines apply also to the Big Four-built Moguls shown in Locobase 7662 before they were fitted with the radial-stay boiler described in that entry.
Low-pressured Moguls with an odd driver size (most were either 57" or 64"), evenly spaced. Relatively large grate area, however. Fall Brook pulled together several coal roads that ran from the Beech Creek coal fields in Pennsylvania to the NYC main line between Rochester and Syracuse. Taken over by the NYC & HR in 1899.
Virtually identical to the Fall Brook Coal Company E-7s (Locobase 5260) , with slightly larger cylinders offset by lower boiler pressure. Also 3 tons lighter on the drivers. This Pennsylvania coal road soon became part of the New York Central system, where these locomotives were designated E-8.
The guide's entry on this small Mogul class is missing some information. Note, though, the very small drivers. Heating surface data from tables created by Dr. Jonathan Smith of Iowa State and hosted on http://www.math.iastate.edu/jdhsmith/terminal ...(10 Dec 2004).
Data from Schenectady Locomotive Works, Illustrated Catalogue of Simple and Compound Locomotives (Philadelphia: J B Lippincott, 1897), pp. 132-133
Identical to the ED class (Locobase except for lower drivers.
Part of the Class E (then Class J) program of the late 1880s-early 1890s, this batch appeared in two other, slightly different varieties also built by Schenectady. Classes EC and EE have separate entries.
The last of the ED built by Schenectady, these Moguls increased their tractive effort by increasing the boiler pressure. They were the last locomotives to be ordered by the West Shore before that railroad was taken over by the NYC & HR.
The last of the ED built by Schenectady, these Moguls increased their tractive effort by increasing the boiler pressure.
Mid-80s Mogul from a predecessor railroad of the New York Central system.
Numerous Mogul class delivered by three builders:
Class Builder Number range Dates
E Brooks 1453-1462 Oct 89 & 9, 10/1890
1502-1527 (Works #1567-1576,
1724-1747)
EA Rome 1483-1502 Oct 89 to Jan 90
EB Rogers 1528-1577 June-Sep 1890
The data comes from a reproduction of the New York Central's 1902 Locomotive guide found on http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/ncy-lbp145.gif (visited December 2002) and matches the locomotive identified as the P-2 (later "E-5") described by RG.
Most unusual feature of this class: It was built by that company in Pennsylvania that the New York Central seldom patronized. The E-1Ds were identical and built by the railroad's usual partner, Schenectady.
Profiled in the Railroad Gazette of 10 May 1901, this Mogul was built to explore the possibilities of the Vanderbilt boiler. The Vanderbilt boiler was designed by Cornelius Vanderbilt, III, to eliminate the weaknesses of the staybolt boiler. The standard firebox was replaced by a Morison suspension-type cylindrical firebox with an internal diameter of 59 inches. 4-inch corrugations in the walls were designed to strengthen the firebox while offering up more heating surface.
Baldwin built two of these while Schenectady built three. Schenectady's engines had sling stays under the front end of the firebox; Baldwin's did not. Otherwise, they were virtually identical (EHS in the Schenectady engines was 2,732 sq ft) and both builders provided the rotund boiler that was intended to provide more steaming space than that found in the original Vanderbilt design.
Although Vanderbilt's boiler wasn't successful, he was credited with a cylindrical tender design in 1901 that saw widespread service on several major railroads.
Although the article claimed savings over the conventional boiler, the data shows a considerably smaller firebox heating surface, which suggests that the larger grate and firetube heating surface may have been wasted. Also, the high number of fire tubes must have offered many more opportunities for leakage and failure.
In any event, very few locomotives were ever built with the Vanderbilt boiler.
| Specifications | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Class | 273 | 787 | Class P/E-1A | E-10 | E-1B | E-1D/E-1E | E-2 | E-3A | E-4 | E-5 | E-5A/E-5B | E-62A/B/C/D | E-65 | E-7 | E-8 | E-9 | EC | ED | EE | EF | Ex | J/E, EA, EB | P-2/E-1C | V-1/E-3 | V-2/ E-10 / E-1D | ||
| Locobase ID | 2624 | 3285 | 11146 | 9435 | 3941 | 5263 | 5253 | 5254 | 5255 | 5257 | 4105 | 5259 | 5258 | 7662 | 7663 | 5260 | 5261 | 5262 | 5249 | 5250 | 5251 | 5252 | 5296 | 4102 | 4106 | 4104 | 4111 |
| Railroad | New York Central (NYC) | New York Central (NYC) | Michigan Central (NYC) | New York Central (NYC) | New York Central (NYC) | New York Central (NYC) | New York Central (NYC) | New York Central (NYC) | New York Central (NYC) | New York Central (NYC) | New York Central (NYC) | New York Central (NYC) | New York Central (NYC) | Big Four (NYC) | Big Four (NYC) | Fall Brook Coal Company (NYC) | Beech Creek, Clearfield & Western (NYC) | New York Central (NYC) | New York Central (NYC) | West Shore (NYC) | New York, West Shore & Buffalo (NYC) | New York Central (NYC) | Pittsburgh & Eastern (NYC) | New York Central (NYC) | New York Central (NYC) | New York Central (NYC) | New York Central (NYC) |
| Whyte | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 | 2-6-0 |
| Road Numbers | 720 | 786 | 273 | 787 | 1691-1740 | 1813-1815 | 1718-1720, 1874-1876 | 1741-1761, 1859-1877 | 1762 | 1763-1765 | 1450-1452 | 1796-1800 | 1800-1812 | 6315 to 6344 | 1846-1858 | 1841-1843 | 1791-1794 | 1652-1687 | 1463-1482, 1578-1651,1688 | 1816-1840 | 1690 | 1998 / 1844 | 1453-1462,1483-1577 | 1768-1790 | 1766-1767 | 1876-1877 | |
| Gauge | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std | Std |
| Builder | Brooks | Schenectady | Schenectady | Schenectady | Schenectady | Schenectady | shops | Schenectady | Schenectady | Schenectady | Schenectady | Rhode Island | New York (Rome) | Big Four | Brooks | Schenectady | Schenectady | Rogers | Schenectady | Schenectady | Schenectady | shops | Schenectady | several | Burnham, Williams & Co | Burnham, Williams & Co | Depew shops |
| Year | 1889 | 1898 | 1885 | 1898 | 1899 | 1892 | 1899 | 1900 | 1900 | 1900 | 1891 | 1883 | 1883 | 1910 | 1887 | 1884 | 1884 | 1889 | 1892 | 1889 | 1892 | 1898 | 1884 | 1889 | 1900 | 1900 | 1902 |
| Valve Gear | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | Stephenson | |
| Locomotive Length and Weight | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Driver Wheelbase | 14' | 15.17' | 14' | 15.17' | 15.17' | 15.17' | 15.17' | 15.17' | 16' | 12.75' | 16.08' | 15.25' | 15.50' | 15.50' | 14' | 14' | 14' | 14' | 14' | 14' | 14' | 15.17' | 15.17' | ||||
| Engine Wheelbase | 21.75' | 23.25' | 21.50' | 23.25' | 23.25' | 23.33' | 23.25' | 23.50' | 24.58' | 20.33' | 23.50' | 22.58' | 23.17' | 23.02' | 21.67' | 21.50' | 21.67' | 21.67' | 21.67' | 21.67' | 21.75' | 23.25' | 23.33' | ||||
| Ratio of driving wheelbase to overall engine wheebase | 0.64 | 0.65 | 0.65 | 0.65 | 0.65 | 0.65 | 0.65 | 0.65 | 0.65 | 0.63 | 0.68 | 0.68 | 0.67 | 0.67 | 0.65 | 0.65 | 0.65 | 0.65 | 0.65 | 0.65 | 0.64 | 0.65 | 0.65 | ||||
| Overall Wheelbase (engine & tender) | 46.17' | 45.46' | 50.40' | 51.95' | 50.67' | 50.91' | 50.98' | 46.83' | 45.17' | 44.58' | 45.10' | 45.27' | 45.67' | 45.92' | 46.62' | 46.62' | 46.62' | 46.62' | 46.10' | 50.75' | 51.04' | ||||||
| Axle Loading (Maximum Weight per Axle) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Weight on Drivers | 106000 lbs | 123000 lbs | 89500 lbs | 126670 lbs | 131600 lbs | 108000 lbs | 139200 lbs | 134500 lbs | 140000 lbs | 145300 lbs | 105600 lbs | 96000 lbs | 98000 lbs | 93000 lbs | 82000 lbs | 92000 lbs | 86000 lbs | 85300 lbs | 104500 lbs | 104500 lbs | 104500 lbs | 104500 lbs | 86000 lbs | 104500 lbs | 133500 lbs | 147300 lbs | 145300 lbs |
| Engine Weight | 122000 lbs | 142200 lbs | 103000 lbs | 144670 lbs | 152000 lbs | 122500 lbs | 161600 lbs | 155200 lbs | 165000 lbs | 171000 lbs | 120700 lbs | 114000 lbs | 116000 lbs | 111000 lbs | 97000 lbs | 106000 lbs | 98000 lbs | 101300 lbs | 120000 lbs | 120000 lbs | 120000 lbs | 120000 lbs | 98000 lbs | 120000 lbs | 155800 lbs | 167500 lbs | 171000 lbs |
| Tender Light Weight | 73000 lbs | 73000 lbs | 73000 lbs | 93800 lbs | 88500 lbs | 93600 lbs | 108000 lbs | 108000 lbs | 108000 lbs | 78000 lbs | 63000 lbs | 63000 lbs | 80000 lbs | 73000 lbs | 76000 lbs | 65500 lbs | 73000 lbs | 72000 lbs | 72000 lbs | 72000 lbs | 72000 lbs | 65600 lbs | 72000 lbs | 155800 lbs | 108000 lbs | ||
| Total Engine and Tender Weight | 195000 lbs | 215200 lbs | 230450 lbs | 217670 lbs | 245800 lbs | 211000 lbs | 255200 lbs | 263200 lbs | 273000 lbs | 279000 lbs | 198700 lbs | 177000 lbs | 179000 lbs | 191000 lbs | 170000 lbs | 182000 lbs | 163500 lbs | 174300 lbs | 192000 lbs | 192000 lbs | 192000 lbs | 192000 lbs | 163600 lbs | 192000 lbs | 311600 lbs | 275500 lbs | 0 |
| Tender Water Capacity | 3500 gals | 3500 gals | 4500 gals | 4000 gals | 4500 gals | 5000 gals | 5000 gals | 5000 gals | 3000 gals | 3000 gals | 3000 gals | 4000 gals | 6000 gals | 3500 gals | 3000 gals | 3000 gals | 3500 gals | 3500 gals | 3500 gals | 3500 gals | 3000 gals | 3500 gals | 5000 gals | 5000 gals | |||
| Tender Fuel Capacity (oil/coal) | 7 tons | tons | tons | tons | 10 tons | 10 tons | 10 tons | 10 tons | 10 tons | 10 tons | 7 tons | 7 tons | 7 tons | 7 tons | 4 tons | 7.5 tons | 6 tons | 7.5 tons | 7 tons | 7 tons | 7 tons | 7 tons | 6 tons | 7 tons | 10 tons | 10 tons | tons |
| Minimum weight per yard of rail on which locomotive could run | 58.89 lb rail | 68.33 lb rail | 50 lb rail | 70.37 lb rail | 73.11 lb rail | 60 lb rail | 77.33 lb rail | 74.72 lb rail | 77.78 lb rail | 80.72 lb rail | 58.67 lb rail | 53.33 lb rail | 54.44 lb rail | 51.67 lb rail | 45.56 lb rail | 51.11 lb rail | 47.78 lb rail | 47.39 lb rail | 58 lb rail | 58 lb rail | 58.06 lb rail | 58.06 lb rail | 48 lb rail | 58.06 lb rail | 74.17 lb rail | 81.83 lb rail | 80.72 lb rail |
| Geometry Relating to Tractive Effort | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Driver Diameter | 64" | 57" | 58" | 57" | 57" | 51" | 57" | 57" | 57" | 57" | 64" | 57" | 57" | 63" | 57" | 59" | 59" | 51" | 57" | 64" | 64" | 57" | 59" | 64" | 57" | 57" | 57" |
| Boiler Pressure | 160 psi | 180 psi | 140 psi | 180 psi | 180 psi | 145 psi | 180 psi | 190 psi | 190 psi | 190 psi | 160 psi | 145 psi | 145 psi | 174 psi | 140 psi | 135 psi | 125 psi | 145 psi | 160 psi | 160 psi | 165 psi | 160 psi | 125 psi | 160 psi | 190 psi | 190 psi | 190 psi |
| Cylinders (dia x stroke) | 19" x 26" | 20" x 28" | 19" x 24" | 19" x 26" | 20" x 28" | 20" x 26" | 20" x 28" | 20" x 28" | 22.5" x 28" (1) | 20" x 28" | 18" x 22" | 18" x 24" | 18" x 24" | 18" x 24" | 18" x 24" | 18" x 24" | 19" x 24" | 18" x 24" | 19" x 26" | 19" x 26" | 19" x 26" | 19" x 26" | 19" x 24" | 19" x 26" | 20" x 28" | 20" x 28" | 20" x 28" |
| Tractive Effort | 19945 lbs | 30063 lbs | 17776 lbs | 25194 lbs | 30063 lbs | 25133 lbs | 30063 lbs | 31733 lbs | 28418 lbs | 31733 lbs | 15147 lbs | 16814 lbs | 16814 lbs | 18255 lbs | 16234 lbs | 15124 lbs | 15603 lbs | 18792 lbs | 22395 lbs | 19945 lbs | 20569 lbs | 22395 lbs | 15603 lbs | 19945 lbs | 31733 lbs | 31733 lbs | 31733 lbs |
| Factor of Adhesion (Weight on Drivers/Tractive Effort) | 5.31 | 4.09 | 5.03 | 5.03 | 4.38 | 4.30 | 4.63 | 4.24 | 4.93 | 4.58 | 6.97 | 5.71 | 5.83 | 5.09 | 5.05 | 6.08 | 5.51 | 4.54 | 4.67 | 5.24 | 5.08 | 4.67 | 5.51 | 5.24 | 4.21 | 4.64 | 4.58 |
| Heating Ability | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Firebox Area | 144 sq. ft | 176.60 sq. ft | 135.50 sq. ft | 157.29 sq. ft | 182.30 sq. ft | 151.66 sq. ft | 195.40 sq. ft | 185.64 sq. ft | 185.64 sq. ft | 125.70 sq. ft | 145 sq. ft | 131 sq. ft | 135 sq. ft | 126 sq. ft | 96 sq. ft | 148.20 sq. ft | 148 sq. ft | 121.10 sq. ft | 160.50 sq. ft | 160.50 sq. ft | 160.50 sq. ft | 160.50 sq. ft | 163 sq. ft | 185.64 sq. ft | 143.14 sq. ft | ||
| Grate Area | 29.75 sq. ft | 30.30 sq. ft | 32.30 sq. ft | 29.45 sq. ft | 30.50 sq. ft | 30.25 sq. ft | 29.10 sq. ft | 30.30 sq. ft | 30.30 sq. ft | 33 sq. ft | 31.90 sq. ft | 17.50 sq. ft | 17.50 sq. ft | 21.80 sq. ft | 16 sq. ft | 32.25 sq. ft | 32.88 sq. ft | 16.30 sq. ft | 29.77 sq. ft | 29.77 sq. ft | 29.77 sq. ft | 29.77 sq. ft | 32.90 sq. ft | 29.77 sq. ft | 30.30 sq. ft | 33.14 sq. ft | 34.50 sq. ft |
| Evaporative Heating Surface | 1734 | 2111 | 1417 | 1813 | 2400 | 1765 | 2548 | 2509 | 2509 | 2755 | 1597 | 1388 | 1372 | 1143 | 1004 | 1369 | 1369 | 1250 | 1763 | 1763 | 1763 | 1763 | 1369 | 1763 | 2509 | 2789 | 2733 |
| Superheating Surface | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Combined Heating Surface | 1734 | 2111 | 1417 | 1813 | 2400 | 1765 | 2548 | 2509 | 2509 | 2755 | 1597 | 1388 | 1372 | 1143 | 1004 | 1369 | 1369 | 1250 | 1763 | 1763 | 1763 | 1763 | 1369 | 1763 | 2509 | 2789 | 2733 |
| Evaporative Heating Surface/Cylinder Volume | 203.23 | 207.35 | 179.92 | 212.49 | 235.73 | 186.70 | 250.27 | 246.44 | 389.43 | 270.60 | 246.47 | 196.36 | 194.10 | 161.70 | 142.04 | 193.67 | 173.82 | 176.84 | 206.63 | 206.63 | 206.63 | 206.63 | 173.82 | 206.63 | 246.44 | 273.94 | 268.44 |
| Computations Relating to Power Output (More Information) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Robert LeMassena's Power Computation | 4760 | 5454 | 4522 | 5301 | 5490 | 4386.25 | 5238 | 5757 | 5757 | 6270 | 5104 | 2537.50 | 2537.50 | 3793.20 | 2240 | 4353.75 | 4110 | 2363.50 | 4763 | 4763 | 4912.05 | 4763.20 | 4113 | 4763.20 | 5757 | 6296.60 | 6555 |
| Same as above plus superheater percentage | 4760 | 5454 | 4522 | 5301 | 5490 | 4386.25 | 5238 | 5757 | 5757 | 6270 | 5104 | 2537.50 | 2537.50 | 3793.20 | 2240 | 4353.75 | 4110 | 2363.50 | 4763 | 4763 | 4912.05 | 4763.20 | 4113 | 4763.20 | 5757 | 6296.60 | 6555 |
| Same as above but substitute firebox area for grate area | 23040 | 31788 | 18970 | 28312.20 | 32814 | 21990.70 | 35172 | 35271.60 | 35271.60 | 23883 | 23200 | 18995 | 19575 | 21924 | 13440 | 20007 | 18500 | 17559.50 | 25680 | 25680 | 26482.50 | 25680 | 0 | 26080 | 35271.60 | 27196.60 | 0 |
| Power L1 | 4908.70 | 5028.68 | 3599 | 5209.80 | 5561.95 | 3289.62 | 5920.54 | 6093.80 | 3979.62 | 5998.59 | 6115.99 | 3981.32 | 3989.12 | 4582.63 | 2792.24 | 3962.64 | 3291.49 | 3235.31 | 4570 | 5132 | 5292.10 | 4570.45 | 0 | 5156.74 | 6093.80 | 6213.47 | 0 |
| Power MT | 306.28 | 270.40 | 265.96 | 272.02 | 279.53 | 201.45 | 281.30 | 299.65 | 188.00 | 273.05 | 383.05 | 274.29 | 269.22 | 325.90 | 225.21 | 284.87 | 253.13 | 250.85 | 289.24 | 324.81 | 334.94 | 289.27 | 0 | 326.37 | 301.90 | 278.99 | 0 |
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