4-8-4 "Northern" Type Locomotives

The 4-8-4 was the ultimate wheel configuation for the modern passenger and fast freight steam locomotive. The eight driver arrangement was usable on almost every main line in North America and with drivers up to 80 inches in diameter allowed any reasonable speed that the railroad could handle. The four wheel trailing truck supported a larger firebox for maximum steam levels allowing for extra boiler capacity. The four wheel leading (or pony) truck completed the best combination for riding and tracking.

With the surge in passenger business in the 1920's most railroads were being forced to operate extra trains or run their scheduled trains in sections simply because the locomotves in use could only haul about 12 cars. It was out of this need that the "super powered" locomotives were developed and of them the 4-8-4 was the most numerous and widely used.

The first 4-8-4 was built by the American Locomotive Company, in January, 1927, for the Northern Pacific. This locomotive was basically the 4-8-2 modified to accomodate a large grate area and a very deep firebox which was required to burn the very low grade of bituminous coal that the Northern Pacicific produced from its own mines. This new wheel arrangement was dubbed "Nothern Pacific", which was quickly shortened to "Northern".

There were 36 North American Railroads that owned and operated a total of 1,126 "Northern" type locomotives.

Some railroads, particularly the southern ones, rejected the "Northern" name and used names with a more regional connection. The C&O called them "Greenbriers"; the Delaware, Lackawanna & Western used the name "Poconos"; the Lehigh Valley came up with "Wyoming"; the Nashville, Chattanooga & St.Louis named them "Dixies"; the New York Central chose "Niagaras"; the Richmond, Fredericksburg & Potomac named each of its 27, 4-8-4s after southern generals, governors and statesmen; the Southern Pacific used the name "Golden State"; the Western Maryland dubbed them "Potomacs" and in Canada, the CNR named them "Confederations" while the Nacionale de Mexico called them "Niagras".

The Timken Demonstrator

In 1930, the Timken Company took delivery of its own 4-8-4 Northern locomotive from the American Locomotive Company. Timken wanted to demonstrate the advantages of roller bearings on steam locomotives and thus became one of the very few private owners of a main line locomotive.

This locomotive carried road number 1111 and the Timken name and became known as "four aces" on the many railroads that tested it. In the two years it traveled the country it ran up an impressive record in both passenger and freight operation.

Designed for fast freight and passenger service, this locomotive was tested in drag freight operation and consistently did well without helpers. On one occasion it started a 132 car freight train of 9,864 tons.

Timken had "four aces" built so that the boiler pressure could be varied between 235 and 250 psi and its weight could be shifted between the drivers and trucks thus allowing the demonstrator to have a tractive effort of 59,900 lbs at 235 psi and 63,700 lbs at 250 psi. The locomotive weighed 417,500 lbs, had 73" drivers and 27 x 30 cylinders.

While being tested on the Northern Pacific, number 1111 suffered crown sheet damage. Timken was essentially finished with it and did not want a damaged locomotive and NP did not want to repair a locomotive it did not own. In order to resolve this stand-off, NP bought the locomotive, repaired it, numbered it 2626 and used it until 1955.

Information for this introduction to Northerns provided by Richard Duley.

Railroads that used Northerns (data provided by Richard Duley)

Also see data provided by Steve Llanso.
Railroad LineQuantity, BuilderName
Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe65 BaldwinNortherns
Atlantic Coast Line12 Baldwin1800s
Canadian National130 MLW 30 Canadian Locomotive WorksConfederations
Canadan Pacific2 CPRNortherns
Central of Georgia8 LimaBig Apples
Chesapeake & Ohio12 LimaGreenbriers
Chicago, Burlington & Quincy8 Baldwin 28 CB&QNortherns
Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul & Pacific10 ALCO 41 Baldwin 1 CMStP&PNortherns
Chicago & North Western35 BaldwinNortherns
Chicago, Rock Island & Pacific85 ALCONortherns
Delaware & Hudson15 ALCONortherns
Delaware, Lackawanna & Western55 ALCOPoconos
Denver & Rio Grande Western19 BaldwinWesterns
Grand Trunk Western37 ALCO 6 LimaConfederations
Great Northern20 BaldwinNortherns
Lehigh Valley21 ALCO 16 BaldwinWyomings
Minneapolis, St. Paul & Sault Sainte Marie4 LimaNortherns
Missouri Pacific15 Baldwin 25 MPNortherns
Nacionales de Mexico16 ALCO 16 BaldwinNiágaras
Nashville, Chattanooga & St. Louis25 ALCODixies
New York Central28 ALCONiagaras
Norfolk & Western14 N&WJs
Northern Pacific13 ALCO 36 BaldwinNortherns
Ontario Northland5 Canadian Locomotive WorksNortherns
Reading30 ReadingNortherns
Richmond, Fredericksburg & Potomac27 BaldwinGenerals, Governors & Statesmen
St. Louis San Francisco25 BaldwinNortherns
St. Louis Southwestern10 Baldwin 10 SLSWNortherns
Southern Pacific10 Baldwin 60 LimaGolden States
Spokane, Portland & Seattle3 BaldwinNortherns
Texas & Louisiana Lines4 BaldwinGolden States
Toledo, Peoria & Western6 ALCONortherns
Union Pacific45 ALCOFour-Eight-Fours
Wabash25 BaldwinNortherns
Western Maryland12 BaldwinPotomacs
Western Pacific6 LimaNortherns

Railroads that used 4-8-4 "Northern" Type Locomotives (data provided by Steve Llanso of Sweat House Media)

Surviving Examples of 4-8-4 "Northern" Type Locomotives

No.ClassF.M. WhyteGaugeRailroad LineLocationStatusNotes
819L-14-8-44'-8½"SSWAR Railroad Museum, Pine Bluff, ARout of serviceSSW, 1942
375937514-8-44'-8½"AT&SFLocomotive Park, 315 W Beale St (US 93), Kingman, AZdisplay Baldwin, 1928, CN 60385
292129004-8-44'-8½"AT&SFBeard Brook Park, B St., Modesto, CAdisplayBaldwin, 1944, CN 69809
292529004-8-44'-8½"AT&SFCSRM boiler and erecting shops, Sacramento, CAstored Baldwin, 1944, CN 69813 Moved to a location about one mile south of the museum next to the river. , ,
375137514-8-44'-8½"AT&SFSBRHS, Amtrak/Redondo Junction Shops, Vernon, CAoperationalBaldwin, 1927, CN 60004 securely stored with baggage car
5629O-5B4-8-44'-8½"CB&QColorado Railroad Museum, Golden, COdisplayBurlington, 1940
291229004-8-44'-8½"AT&SFPueblo Union Depot, Pueblo, COrestorationBaldwin, 1944, CN 69800 Wheels Museum
814FEF-14-8-44'-8½"UPRock Island Depot Museum, Main & 16th, Council Bluffs, IAdisplay ALCO, 1937, CN 68822
291329004-8-44'-8½"AT&SFRiverview Park, Ft. Madison, IAcosmetic restorationBaldwin, 1943, CN 69801 contact info
6323U-3-b4-8-44'-8½"GTWIllinois Railway Museum, Union, ILdisplayALCO (Schenectady), 1942, CN 69629
265S-34-8-44'-8½"CMStP&PIllinois Railway Museum, Union, ILdisplayALCO, 1944
290329004-8-44'-8½"AT&SFIllinois Railway Museum, Union, ILdisplayBaldwin, 1944
376837654-8-44'-8½"AT&SFGreat Plains Transportation Museum, Wichita, KSdisplay Baldwin, 1938, CN 62122
1(2101)T-14-8-44'-8½"ReadingB&O Railroad Museum, Baltimore, MDdisplayBaldwin, 1923
261S-34-8-44'-8½"CMStP&PGN Shops/Minneapolis Junction, Minneapolis, MNoperational ALCO, 1944, CN 3079
5614O-5A4-8-44'-8½"CB&QPatee Park, St. Joseph, MOdisplay CB&Q (Aurora), 1937
4460GS-64-8-44'-8½"SPMuseum of Transportation, St. Louis, MOdisplay Lima, 1941, CN 8013
451645004-8-44'-8½"SLSFState Fairgrounds, Sedalia, MOdisplayBaldwin, 1943, CN 69732
452445004-8-44'-8½"SLSFGrant Beach Park, Springfield, MOdisplayBaldwin, 1943, CN 69740
8014-8-415"ATT&NWArborway T.T. & Northwestern Railroad, Steelville, MOoperational privateMerrick Locomotive Works, 2006
2584S-24-8-44'-8½"GNHavre depot, Havre, MTdisplay Baldwin, 1930, CN 61238
292629004-8-44'-8½"AT&SFGSA/BIA siding, between 8th and 12th 3 bl south of I40, Albuquerque, NMrestoration Baldwin, 1944, CN 69814 from Coronado Park, will be moved to a private siding for restoration, Wheels Museum, NMSLRHS
6325U-3-b4-8-44'-8½"GTWOhio Central Railroad Shops, West Lafayette, OHstored serviceableALCO, 1942, CN 69631 pulled first revenue excursion 09/2001, 2001 photo
450045004-8-44'-8½"SLSFTulsa Parks & Recreation, Owasso, OKrestorationBaldwin, 1942, CN 64449
700E14-8-44'-8½"SP&SSP Brooklyn roundhouse, Portland, ORoperational Baldwin, 1938, CN 62171
4449GS-44-8-44'-8½"SPSP Brooklyn roundhouse, Portland, ORoperational Lima, 1941, CN 7817
3028QR-14-8-44'-8½"NdeMNew Hope & Ivyland Railroad, New Hope, PArestorationALCO, 1946, CN 74383 operational by 2006? Volunteer
614J3a4-8-44'-8½"C&OIron Horse Enterprises, RBM&N headquarters, Port Clinton, PAstored operationalwas to be auctioned in July, 2000
2102T-14-8-44'-8½"ReadingRBM&N headquarters, Port Clinton, PAstoredBaldwin, 1923
2124T-14-8-44'-8½"ReadingSteamtown National Historic Site, Scranton, PAdisplay Reading, 1946
576J3-574-8-44'-8½"NC&StLCentennial Park, Nashville, TNdisplayALCO, 1942, CN 69786 may be moved to Tennessee Central Railroad Museum, Nashville for restoration, , NCPS
450145004-8-44'-8½"SLSFMuseum of the American Railroad, Dallas, TXdisplayBaldwin, 1942, CN 64450
833FEF-24-8-44'-8½"UPUtah State Railroad Museum, Ogden, UTdisplay
611J4-8-44'-8½"N&WVirginia Museum of Transportation, Roanoke, VAdisplayN&W, 1950, CN 388
2100T-14-8-44'-8½"ReadingGolden Pacific Railroad, Tacoma, WAoperationalBaldwin, 1923 from Elgin Co. RY Museum, St. Thomas, ON
838FEF-34-8-44'-8½"UPUP engine house, Cheyenne, WYstored ALCO (Schenectady), 1944, CN 72785
844FEF-34-8-44'-8½"UPUP engine house, Cheyenne, WYoperational ALCO (Schenectady), 1944, CN 72791
5633O-5A4-8-44'-8½"CB&QDoug. RR Interp Ctr, C&NW Depot, Douglas, WYdisplayCB&Q (Aurora), 1940
5631O-5A4-8-44'-8½"CB&QRotary Park, Sheridan, WYdisplay CB&Q (Aurora), 1940
6218U-2-g4-8-44'-8½"CNRFort Erie Railroad Museum, Fort Erie, ONdisplay MLW, 1942, CN 69716
6167U-2-e4-8-44'-8½"CNRnext to greyhound bus terminal, corner of Macdonall St. and Carden St., Guelph, ONdisplay MLW, 1940, CN 69262
3100K1a4-8-44'-8½"CPRCanada Science and Technology Museum, Ottawa, ONdisplay CPR (Angus), 1928, CN 2070
6200U-2-g4-8-44'-8½"CNRCanada Science and Technology Museum, Ottawa, ONstored MLW, 1942, CN 69698 ,
6400U-4-a4-8-44'-8½"CNRCanada Science and Technology Museum, Ottawa, ONdisplay MLW, 1936, CN 68715
6213U-2-g4-8-44'-8½"CNRRoundhouse Park, Toronto, ONdisplay MLW, 1942, CN 69711 Once displayed at Exhibition Place. Restoration to operational condition being explored, TRHA,
6153U-2-c4-8-44'-8½"CNRCanadian Railway Museum, Delson, QCdisplayMLW, 1929, CN 67782
3101K1a4-8-44'-8½"CPRIPSCO Inc., Regina, SKdisplayCPR (Angus), 1928, CN 2071

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