Nord 0-8-0 Locomotives in France


Class Details by Steve Llanso of Sweat House Media

Class 4.2016 (Locobase 7592)

Data from a site that reproduces cigarette card pictures and adds dimension and area data -- [], last accessed 14 June 2006. Blanc-Misseron delivered works numbers 278-297 and 311-330 in 1930, 381-390 in 1931, and 392-401 in 1933. Corpet-Louvet produced works numbers 1762-1771 in 1930 and 1793-1802 in 1931-1932.

Locobase knows only what the photos tell it and they show a high-sided tank flanking the boiler from the cab front to the smokebox and the relatively rare choice of Gooch valve gear (that appears to be the Stephenson link motion outside).

Shunters like this didn't need the latest innovations to work satisfactorily. So the 4.2016 used slide valves, relatively simple valve gear, and negligible stream lining. The latter's low level is indicated by the massive side tanks, pipes everywhere, several items lining the top of the boiler. Heaps of coal rode in bunkers ahead and behind the cab.

All of the TGs headed for the ferro-knacker from 1960-1967,


Class 4.547 (Locobase 11282)

Data Maurice Demoulin, Traite Pratique de la Machine Locomotive (Paris: Libraire Polytechnique, Baudry et Cie, 1898), p.152.


Class 4.729 (Locobase 7416)

Data from Titre Exposition universelle internationale de 1889 a Paris. Rapports du jury internationale. Auteur - Volume France. Ministere du Commerce, de l'industrie. Picard, Alfred, ed. Volume Groupe VI - -Outillage et precedes des industries mecaniques. Electricite (5e partie) Classes 60 a 63. Rapport sur le materiel des chemins de fer.tables beginning on p. 183 ([] (accessed 1 September 2005)).

The Jury's report (157-158) notes that this exhibit was an existing eight-coupled locomotive that was converted to compound working using the Woolf four-cylinder tandem layout. The design was specifically designed to pull 600 tonnes up steep grades in the Nord's northeastern region. A later report showed that the compound could in fact pull 60 loaded cars amassing a total of 900 tons. Other trials yielded an 11-13% drop in coal consumption.

Each pair of cylinders -- 1 HP, 1 LP -- was arranged in tandem within a single assembly, the LP leading the HP. The relatively small Belpaire firebox changed the least du ring the conversion. Also the compounding ratio was relatively low.


Class 4001 (Locobase 11271)

Data from Maurice Demoulin, Traite Pratique de la Machine Locomotive (Paris: Libraire Polytechnique, Baudry et Cie, 1898), pp. 127-130.


Class Ceinture (Locobase 15598)

Data from diagram No 49, Societe Alsacienne de Constructions Mecaniques from locomotive book supplied by Dany Machi up at [] as

Diagrammes des machines SACM construites a GRAFENSTADEN (October 2007).

These were transfer locomotives that operated on the Nord's Ceinture (belt) line around Paris. They had outside link motion with drive on the third axled, very little weather sheltering, long tanks extending to the smokebox front, dome over the second axle.


Class Dromadaire (Locobase 9951)

Data from D[avid] K[innear] Clark, "On the Locomotive Engines in the International Exhibition of 1862," Newton's London Journal of Arts, (1 January 1864), p. 34, supplemented and corrected by August Perdonnet et Camille Polonceau, Nouveau Portefeuille de L'Ingenieur des Chemins de Fer, Tome Second (Paris: Librairie Scientifique, Industrielle et Agricole, 1866), pp. 530-531.

This class of banking (helper) engines had its firebox above the driving axles and side frame to allow for the larger grate needed to burn the low-calorie "coal slack" that was its fuel. M. Jules Petiet, who designed this class, included a feature that represented one of the first attempts to wring the remaining water out of the steam produced in the boiler. Above the boiler was another steam space that contained 19 tubes of 3 1/8" diameter (and 128 sq ft of total surface area) that facilitated steam "drying".

Although a couple of dozen engines were built with this installation, its contribution to the steam's power didn't compensate for the added complexity.

See Locobase 11311 for the 1867 version of this design


Class Dromadaire (Locobase 11311)

Data from D[avid] K[innear] Clark, "On the Locomotive Engines in the International Exhibition of 1862," Newton's London Journal of Arts, (1 January 1864), p. 34, supplemented and corrected by August Perdonnet et Camille Polonceau, Nouveau Portefeuille de L'Ingenieur des Chemins de Fer, Tome Second (Paris: Librairie Scientifique, Industrielle et Agricole, 1866), pp. 530-531.

Compared to the first 11, one of which was shown at the 1862 Universal Exposition at Paris (Locobase 9951), this octet was a bit heavier, but not otherwise substantially different. In fact, this class had the same tube layout and the same square cylinder dimensions. It also mounted a second, smaller barrel containing a steam dryer above the main boiler.

See Locobase 11158 for a later version of this design.


Class Series 360 (Locobase 604)

Data from August Perdonnet, Traite Elementaird des Chemins de Fer, Tome Second (Paris: Garnier Freres, , 1860), pp. 587-592. See also Titre Rapports du jury mixte internationale publies sous la dir. de S.A.I le Prince Napoleon, presidente de la commission Imperial (Paris, Impremerie Imperiale, 1856) Collation [4]-LXXVI-1574-p. -[2]; Cote CNAM 8th Xae 53 - Mots mateiere Exposition internationale (1885; Paris); Industrie - 19e siecle; Produits industriels - 19e siecle, p. 233, hosted on cnum.cnam.fr/CGI/fpage.cgi?8XAE53/320/100/1664/0/0, accessed 1 September 2005; and Albert Jacquet, "'Engerth'" Locomotives on French and Belgian Railways", Locomotive Magazine, Volume XXVIII [28] (15 March 1922), pp. 74-77.

M. Pastor, Cockerill's director, designed this locomotive as an enlargement of the Engerth type that had proved successful in Switzerland and southern France. The tonnage target was 450 tonnes up a 1/2% grade. A 27 June 1855 test saw the locomotive complete a 28-km journey in 65 minutes (26 kph or 16 mph) pulling 482 tonnes.

For this effort and for the general quality of the design and construction, the Jury awarded "la grande medaille d'honneur".

If the Perdonnet data was correct, it exposed one of the significant drawbacks to involving the tender in providing adhesion weight. Apparently, it would have been difficult to place the firebox on rather than inside the frame rails, thus restricting width. And firebox length would be constrained by the need to provide the connector between the engine and the tender.

NB: Jacquet's data for tube heating surface used the internal tube diameter of 49 mm (1.93"), which yielded 187.75 sq m) (2,021 sq ft) and evaporative heatng surface of 198.6 sq m (2,137 sq ft). Locobase uses the external diameter given in the Jury report to simplify comparison with Anglo-American designs.


Class unknown (Locobase 11158)

Data from "Locomotive Engines at the Paris Exhibition", The Artizan, Vol II, 4th Series, #2 (11 February 1868), p. 26.

Locobase 9951 describes the original Dromedaire that made its appearance at the 1862 Exhibition. This design appeared five years later at the 1867 edition. Among the several differences was the adoption of larger cyinders, larger-diameter firetubes, longer wheelbase, and provision of a smaller, Belpaire firebox. The second axle's wheels had no flanges.

Principal Dimensions by Steve Llanso of Sweat House Media

Class4.20164.5474.7294001Ceinture
Locobase ID7592 11282 7416 11271 15598
RailroadNordNordNordNordNord
CountryFranceFranceFranceFranceFrance
Whyte0-8-0T0-8-0T0-8-00-8-00-8-0T
Number in Class8041457
Road Numbers4.2016-4.2095 /TG 1-804.547-4.550 4.734001-40451-7
GaugeStdStdStdStdStd
Number Built8041457
BuilderNordseveralSACM
Year19301870188818661934
Valve GearGoochStephensonGoochStephensonStephenson
Locomotive Length and Weight
Driver Wheelbase (ft / m)14.60 / 4.4513.94 / 4.2513.94 / 4.2512.96 / 3.95
Engine Wheelbase (ft / m)14.60 / 4.4513.94 / 4.2513.94 / 4.2512.96 / 3.95
Ratio of driving wheelbase to overall engine wheelbase1111
Overall Wheelbase (engine & tender) (ft / m)14.60 / 4.4512.96 / 3.95
Axle Loading (Maximum Weight per Axle) (lbs / kg)31,394 / 14,240
Weight on Drivers (lbs / kg)160,496 / 72,800105,822 / 48,000113,979 / 51,70097,444 / 44,200110,672 / 50,200
Engine Weight (lbs / kg)160,496 / 72,800105,822 / 48,000113,979 / 51,70097,444 / 44,200110,672 / 50,200
Tender Loaded Weight (lbs / kg)
Total Engine and Tender Weight (lbs / kg)160,496 / 72,800105,822 / 48,000110,672 / 50,200
Tender Water Capacity (gals / ML)1346 / 5.10
Tender Fuel Capacity (oil/coal) (gals/tons / Liters/MT) 3.90 / 4
Minimum weight of rail (calculated) (lb/yd / kg/m)67 / 33.5044 / 2247 / 23.5041 / 20.5046 / 23
Geometry Relating to Tractive Effort
Driver Diameter (in / mm)49.60 / 126046.90 / 119051.20 / 130051.20 / 130055.10 / 1400
Boiler Pressure (psi / kPa)174 / 11.70120.40 / 8.30145 / 10140.70 / 9.70120.40 / 8.30
High Pressure Cylinders (dia x stroke) (in / mm)20.08" x 25.98" / 510x66018.11" x 18.11" / 460x46014.96" x 25.59" / 380x65019.69" x 25.59" / 500x65018.11" x 25.98" / 460x660
Low Pressure Cylinders (dia x stroke) (in / mm)21.26" x 25.59" / 540x650
Tractive Effort (lbs / kg)31,236 / 14168.4312,961 / 5879.0218,441 / 8364.7123,174 / 10511.5615,826 / 7178.56
Factor of Adhesion (Weight on Drivers/Tractive Effort) 5.14 8.16 6.18 4.20 6.99
Heating Ability
Tubes (number - dia) (in / mm)197 - 1.969" / 50234 - 1.811" / 46
Flues (number - dia) (in / mm)
Flue/Tube length (ft / m)13.42 / 4.0913.33 / 4.0611.81 / 3.60
Firebox Area (sq ft / m2)98.99 / 9.2098.38 / 9.14
Grate Area (sq ft / m2)24.75 / 2.3016.14 / 1.5022.38 / 2.0822.38 / 2.0820.77 / 1.93
Evaporative Heating Surface (sq ft / m2)1128 / 104.801280 / 1191513 / 140.601623 / 150.781306 / 121.35
Superheating Surface (sq ft / m2)
Combined Heating Surface (sq ft / m2)1128 / 104.801280 / 1191513 / 140.601623 / 150.781306 / 121.35
Evaporative Heating Surface/Cylinder Volume118.46237.07290.62179.96168.61
Computations Relating to Power Output (More Information)
Robert LeMassena's Power Computation43071943324531492501
Same as above plus superheater percentage43071943324531492501
Same as above but substitute firebox area for grate area14,35411,845
Power L123632566
Power MT182.82204.46

Principal Dimensions by Steve Llanso of Sweat House Media

ClassDromadaireDromadaireSeries 360unknown
Locobase ID9951 11311 604 11158
RailroadNordNordNordNord
CountryFranceFranceFranceFrance
Whyte0-8-0T0-8-0T0-8-0+40-8-0T
Number in Class12850
Road Numbers566-577578-585360-399
GaugeStdStdStdStd
Number Built12850
BuilderCMIFives-Lille
Year1862186318551867
Valve GearStephensonStephensonGoochlink
Locomotive Length and Weight
Driver Wheelbase (ft / m)12.50 / 3.8112.50 / 3.8112.96 / 3.9514.11 / 4.30
Engine Wheelbase (ft / m)12.50 / 3.8112.50 / 3.8112.96 / 3.9514.11 / 4.30
Ratio of driving wheelbase to overall engine wheelbase1111
Overall Wheelbase (engine & tender) (ft / m)12.50 / 3.8112.50 / 3.8124.18 / 7.3714.11 / 4.30
Axle Loading (Maximum Weight per Axle) (lbs / kg)24,692 / 11,20025,574 / 11,60024,471 / 11,10026,881 / 12,193
Weight on Drivers (lbs / kg)95,460 / 43,30099,208 / 45,00088,846 / 40,300108,417 / 49,177
Engine Weight (lbs / kg)95,460 / 43,30099,208 / 45,000141,096 / 64,000108,417 / 49,177
Tender Loaded Weight (lbs / kg)49,604 / 22,500
Total Engine and Tender Weight (lbs / kg)95,460 / 43,30099,208 / 45,000190,700 / 86,500108,417 / 49,177
Tender Water Capacity (gals / ML)2112 / 8
Tender Fuel Capacity (oil/coal) (gals/tons / Liters/MT) 5.50 / 5
Minimum weight of rail (calculated) (lb/yd / kg/m)40 / 2041 / 20.5025 / 12.5045 / 22.50
Geometry Relating to Tractive Effort
Driver Diameter (in / mm)42 / 106741.90 / 106549.50 / 125851 / 1295
Boiler Pressure (psi / kPa)149.40 / 10.30149.40 / 10.30116 / 8130.50 / 9
High Pressure Cylinders (dia x stroke) (in / mm)18.9" x 18.9" / 480x48018.9" x 18.9" / 480x48019.69" x 25.98" / 500x66019.69" x 25.59" / 500x650
Tractive Effort (lbs / kg)20,413 / 9259.1920,462 / 9281.4220,063 / 9100.4321,578 / 9787.63
Factor of Adhesion (Weight on Drivers/Tractive Effort) 4.68 4.85 4.43 5.02
Heating Ability
Tubes (number - dia) (in / mm)356 - 1.575" / 40356 - 1.575" / 40235 - 2.165" / 55249 - 2.008" / 51
Flues (number - dia) (in / mm)
Flue/Tube length (ft / m)11.48 / 3.5011.48 / 3.5016.57 / 5.0513.45 / 4.10
Firebox Area (sq ft / m2)106.85 / 9.93104.37 / 9.70115.71 / 10.75102.97 / 9.57
Grate Area (sq ft / m2)28.19 / 2.6228.19 / 2.6220.88 / 1.9423.46 / 2.18
Evaporative Heating Surface (sq ft / m2)1664 / 154.691661 / 154.362323 / 215.801759 / 163.50
Superheating Surface (sq ft / m2)140 / 12.98129 / 12
Combined Heating Surface (sq ft / m2)1804 / 167.671790 / 166.362323 / 215.801759 / 163.50
Evaporative Heating Surface/Cylinder Volume271.14270.65253.71195.04
Computations Relating to Power Output (More Information)
Robert LeMassena's Power Computation4212421224223062
Same as above plus superheater percentage4549450624223062
Same as above but substitute firebox area for grate area17,24016,68413,42213,438
Power L15893568530332797
Power MT544.39505.33451.56227.50

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