Manchester, Sheffield & Lincolnshire 2-2-2 Locomotives in Great_Britain


Class Details by Steve Llanso of Sweat House Media

Class 399 (Locobase 13574)

Data from "Notes on English Railways - Manchester, Sheffield & Lincolnshire Ry", Engineering News, Volume 25 (25 April 1891), p. 391 and N Michell Whitley, "Modern Locomotive Practice," Scientific American Supplement, No 458 (11 October 1884), p. 7310.

Whitley's overview commented about this class: "This engine is remarkable for the great weight thrown on the driving wheels and its cylinder power is great in proportion to its adhesion, thus allowing the steam to be worked at a high rate of expansion, which is most favorable to the economical consumption of fuel." But note the factor of adhesion - even at 140 psi, it doesn't reach 3:1.


Class Big Jenny Lind (Locobase 5592)

From the website [link] (23 June 2003), which reproduces David Joy's diary.

Joy comments: "These big passenger engines were a splendid engine, with their ample surface, but afterwards they got scattered all over, two to the Great Northern Railway, where I once had a run on one of them from Retford to Doncaster in one minute over the number of miles+that was 60 miles per hour all the way." He notes that they burned 22.8 lb/mile (6.4 kg/km) over 560 miles (902 km).

NB: Tube length is an estimate calculated by taking the given tube count and diameter and the given tube heating surface area and estimating the tube length necessary to produce the latter figure.


Class Jenny Lind enlarged (Locobase 5593)

From the website [link] (23 June 2003), which reproduces David Joy's diary. See also "Some Links in the Evolution of the Locomotive", Railway Magazine, Volume 22 (June 1908), p.479.

This one was built a little before the "Big" Jenny Lind described in Joy's May 1848 entry and in Locobase as 5592. Joy commented that the 69 represented a response to Wilson & Fenton's attitude, which was "very stiff as to alterations on the standard 800 ft 'Jenny', which was being turned out ...one a week it was now."

RM's account established the futility of such a stand: "But the evolution of the locomotive was not to be prevented by such absurd disregard of the railways' requirements, for soon an enlarged 'Jenny' came ..."


Class Sacre (Locobase 2220)

Data from "Mr Sacre's Singles on the Great Central Ry, "The Locomotive Magazine, Vol IX (12 September 1903), p. p 162.

Designed by Charles Sacre'. These 12 express engines with outside slotted frames possessed a relatively large grate for their size. Like all Spinners, they showed a relatively low factor of adhesion.

Designed to pull the Grantham to Sheffield and Manchester legs of the very fast GNR express from London, they served in that role only a few years. In 1888, they were diverted to Manchester-Liverpool express service which was booked for 40-45 minutes. Then-locomotive superintendent Harry Pollitt rebuilt the engines, putting more weight on the driving axle, which now supported 44,128 lb. In this Cheshire Lines duty, a typical run would consist of 6 bogie coaches weighing 180 tons and cover the 34 miles in 40 minutes (51 mph) while consuming coal at a relatively modest rate of 32 lb/mile.

Principal Dimensions by Steve Llanso of Middle Run Media
Class399Big Jenny LindJenny Lind enlargedSacre
Locobase ID13574 5592 5593 2220
RailroadManchester, Sheffield & LincolnshireManchester, Sheffield & LincolnshireManchester, Sheffield & LincolnshireManchester, Sheffield & Lincolnshire
CountryGreat BritainGreat BritainGreat BritainGreat Britain
Whyte2-2-22-2-22-2-22-2-2
Number in Class10112
Road Numbers69399, 500-510
GaugeStdStdStdStd
Number Built10112
BuilderMS & LBeyer, PeacockMS & L
Year1890184818481865
Valve GearStephensonStephensonStephensonStephenson
Locomotive Length and Weight
Driver Wheelbase (ft / m)
Engine Wheelbase (ft / m)15.75 / 4.8015.75
Ratio of driving wheelbase to overall engine wheelbase
Overall Wheelbase (engine & tender) (ft / m)36.92 / 11.25
Axle Loading (Maximum Weight per Axle) (lbs / kg)30,31225,200 / 11,43139,312 / 17,832
Weight on Drivers (lbs / kg)30,312 / 13,74925,200 / 11,43118,312 / 830639,312 / 17,832
Engine Weight (lbs / kg)90,944 / 41,25255,888 / 25,35056,784 / 25,75790,944 / 41,252
Tender Loaded Weight (lbs / kg)37,250 / 16,896
Total Engine and Tender Weight (lbs / kg)128,194 / 58,148
Tender Water Capacity (gals / ML)3000 / 11.362400 / 9.09
Tender Fuel Capacity (oil/coal) (gals/tons / Liters/MT) 2.80 / 3
Minimum weight of rail (calculated) (lb/yd / kg/m)51 / 25.5042 / 2131 / 15.5066 / 33
Geometry Relating to Tractive Effort
Driver Diameter (in / mm)90 / 228672 / 182978 / 198190 / 2286
Boiler Pressure (psi / kPa)140 / 1100120 / 830120 / 830150 / 1030
High Pressure Cylinders (dia x stroke) (in / mm)17.5" x 26" / 445x66016" x 22" / 406x55916" x 22" / 406x55917.5" x 26" / 445x660
Tractive Effort (lbs / kg)10,528 / 4775.437979 / 3619.227365 / 3340.7111,280 / 5116.53
Factor of Adhesion (Weight on Drivers/Tractive Effort) 2.88 3.16 2.49 3.49
Heating Ability
Tubes (number - dia) (in / mm)195 - 1.75" / 44206 - 2" / 51169 - 2" / 51195 - 1.75" / 44
Flues (number - dia) (in / mm)
Flue/Tube length (ft / m)12 / 3.66 9.67 / 2.9510.33 / 3.15
Firebox Area (sq ft / m2)87 / 8.08149 / 13.8490 / 8.3687 / 8.09
Grate Area (sq ft / m2)17 / 1.5817 / 1.58
Evaporative Heating Surface (sq ft / m2)1144 / 106.281185 / 110.091005 / 93.371144 / 106.32
Superheating Surface (sq ft / m2)
Combined Heating Surface (sq ft / m2)1144 / 106.281185 / 110.091005 / 93.371144 / 106.32
Evaporative Heating Surface/Cylinder Volume158.05231.46196.30158.05
Computations Relating to Power Output (More Information)
Robert LeMassena's Power Computation23802550
Same as above plus superheater percentage23802550
Same as above but substitute firebox area for grate area12,18017,88010,80013,050
Power L14581542944344908
Power MT333.18474.96533.82275.24

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