Manchester & Great Northern Joint / Midland & Great Northern Joint 4-4-2 Locomotives in Great_Britain


Class Details by Steve Llanso of Sweat House Media

Class 20 (Locobase 20917)

Data from "New Goods Locomotive, M & GN Joint Railway," Locomotive Magazine, Vol VI (January 1901), p. 1; and PCD, "Midland and Great Northern Railway and Its Locomotives", Volume XXVIII [28] (15 June 1922), p. 177-178.

This batch of locomotives was described as being exactly the same as a batch built for the Great Northern and were originally intended for the GNR. M&GNJ detail differences included a closed dome, Ramsbottom safety valves that followed Midland's 1904 Derby pattern and a "3rd pattern chimney" that tapered outward from the base to the cap.

The second engine repeated most of the design, but used M&GN's extended smokebox; the third in the class repeated the first except for the safety valve details.

On the M & GN they were painted in a yellow livery.


Class A (Locobase 5929)

Data and information from Richard Marsden [link] (22 Feb 2004).

Described as rebuilds of M&GN 4-4-0s, these were in fact new engines delivered in 1904, 1909, and 1910 from a design by GB Clarke (Chief Draughtsman) at the direction of a Mr. Marriott, the joint line's Locomotive Engineer. They operated on the East Coast, serving Lowestoft and Yarmouth, Cromer Beach to Melton Constable, and local service out of Potter Heigham.

Finally taken into the LNER in October 1936, they continued to serve primarily the Melton Constable area until being with drawn in April 1942 (020), January 1944 (041), and July 1944 (09).

Principal Dimensions by Steve Llanso of Middle Run Media
Class20A
Locobase ID20917 5929
RailroadMidland & Great Northern JointManchester & Great Northern Joint
CountryGreat BritainGreat Britain
Whyte4-4-2T4-4-2T
Number in Class123
Road Numbers20
GaugeStdStd
Number Built123
BuilderMelton ConstableMelton Constable
Year19001904
Valve GearStephensonStephenson
Locomotive Length and Weight
Driver Wheelbase (ft / m) 8.50 / 2.59
Engine Wheelbase (ft / m)29.50 / 8.9929.50 / 8.99
Ratio of driving wheelbase to overall engine wheelbase 0.29
Overall Wheelbase (engine & tender) (ft / m)
Axle Loading (Maximum Weight per Axle) (lbs / kg)32,928 / 14,93640,096 / 18,187
Weight on Drivers (lbs / kg)79,520 / 36,070
Engine Weight (lbs / kg)153,328 / 69,548153,328 / 69,548
Tender Loaded Weight (lbs / kg)
Total Engine and Tender Weight (lbs / kg)153,328 / 69,548
Tender Water Capacity (gals / ML)1980 / 7.501980 / 7.50
Tender Fuel Capacity (oil/coal) (gals/tons / Liters/MT) 2.20 / 2
Minimum weight of rail (calculated) (lb/yd / kg/m)66 / 33
Geometry Relating to Tractive Effort
Driver Diameter (in / mm)72 / 182972 / 1829
Boiler Pressure (psi / kPa)160 / 1100160 / 1100
High Pressure Cylinders (dia x stroke) (in / mm)17.5" x 24" / 445x61017.25" x 26" / 438x660
Tractive Effort (lbs / kg)13,883 / 6297.2314,614 / 6628.81
Factor of Adhesion (Weight on Drivers/Tractive Effort) 5.73
Heating Ability
Tubes (number - dia) (in / mm)196 - 1.75" / 44194 - 1.75" / 44
Flues (number - dia) (in / mm)
Flue/Tube length (ft / m)11 / 3.35
Firebox Area (sq ft / m2)110 / 10.22110 / 10.22
Grate Area (sq ft / m2)17.50 / 1.6317.50 / 1.63
Evaporative Heating Surface (sq ft / m2)1099 / 102.101078 / 100.19
Superheating Surface (sq ft / m2)
Combined Heating Surface (sq ft / m2)1099 / 102.101078 / 100.19
Evaporative Heating Surface/Cylinder Volume164.49153.28
Computations Relating to Power Output (More Information)
Robert LeMassena's Power Computation28002800
Same as above plus superheater percentage28002800
Same as above but substitute firebox area for grate area17,60017,600
Power L147394445
Power MT262.77

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